Forgrin (India) vs Sir_Musket (Russia) on High Plains [EP]
Forgrin (India) vs Sir_Musket (Russia) on High Plains [EP]
Having trouble in this MU. I've played Sir_Musket a bunch of times India vs Russia, I think this is the best I've done so far but still not enough. If anyone has any ideas on what might win me these games I'd be happy to hear it.
Quick game summary: Standard opening. Deflected the 5 coss 5 musk, start getting market ups and massing. Unfortunately, although I had some good trades when Musket tried to timing push me, I was never able to break out of my base and he just slow-rolled me by taking the stagecoach TPs and denying resources. Eventually I was forced to push when he aged but I had lost by then.
Quick game summary: Standard opening. Deflected the 5 coss 5 musk, start getting market ups and massing. Unfortunately, although I had some good trades when Musket tried to timing push me, I was never able to break out of my base and he just slow-rolled me by taking the stagecoach TPs and denying resources. Eventually I was forced to push when he aged but I had lost by then.
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Re: Forgrin (India) vs Sir_Musket (Russia) on High Plains [EP]
you can play boomy agra in base and depend on double minute men and cons minute men to bail you out and than your units are just twice as good as russian units are
Re: Forgrin (India) vs Sir_Musket (Russia) on High Plains [EP]
That's pretty much what I did. Still lost though.
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Re: Forgrin (India) vs Sir_Musket (Russia) on High Plains [EP]
gibson wrote:you can play boomy agra in base and depend on double minute men and cons minute men to bail you out and than your units are just twice as good as russian units are
yeah cause zamb are so good
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Re: Forgrin (India) vs Sir_Musket (Russia) on High Plains [EP]
theyre op actually. india shouldve sneaked an age up in themself i guess. then win with urumi + elephants
Re: Forgrin (India) vs Sir_Musket (Russia) on High Plains [EP]
umeu wrote:theyre op actually. india shouldve sneaked an age up in themself i guess. then win with urumi + elephants
I don't think aging would have been safe in this game. Watch the reply
Re: Forgrin (India) vs Sir_Musket (Russia) on High Plains [EP]
Still unsure about what to do in this situation here.
Re: Forgrin (India) vs Sir_Musket (Russia) on High Plains [EP]
forgrin wrote:Still unsure about what to do in this situation here.
Did you make ghurka zamb? Did you make enough zambs for the cossacks? I think the best unit Russia has vs India is cossack, that's what you have to prepare for most.
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Re: Forgrin (India) vs Sir_Musket (Russia) on High Plains [EP]
I would rather sepoy than zam against russia
Re: Forgrin (India) vs Sir_Musket (Russia) on High Plains [EP]
ovi12 wrote:forgrin wrote:Still unsure about what to do in this situation here.
Did you make ghurka zamb? Did you make enough zambs for the cossacks? I think the best unit Russia has vs India is cossack, that's what you have to prepare for most.
I did that. Won a couple fights in my base but sirmusket didn't overcommit, then stagecoach took over and I ran out of safe resources to gather. Just not sure how to actually make a winning push here, I had the advantage for a time but zamb/gurk alone seemed too defensive to push into the TP line. When I thought he was aging I knew I had to do a sowar tech switch or just lose the game to OP strelets, but I lost the fight. I feel the game was already over at that point though.
Re: Forgrin (India) vs Sir_Musket (Russia) on High Plains [EP]
watch H2O vs Darwin Giovanni or H2O vs mongo10 he plays this mu really well
Re: Forgrin (India) vs Sir_Musket (Russia) on High Plains [EP]
tedere12 wrote:watch H2O vs Darwin Giovanni or H2O vs mongo10 he plays this mu really well
Darwin does 5 coss 13 strel then throws the game after killing 4-5 vills, not sure how applicable that is.
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Re: Forgrin (India) vs Sir_Musket (Russia) on High Plains [EP]
britishmusketeer wrote:I would rather sepoy than zam against russia
nah zamb are better for sure
Re: Forgrin (India) vs Sir_Musket (Russia) on High Plains [EP]
Hazza54321 wrote:britishmusketeer wrote:I would rather sepoy than zam against russia
nah zamb are better for sure
Sepoy have siege so you can capitalize after winning a fight by killing fb, plus I think they're better while defending because zambs need room to kite, but I'm just a noob so don't listen to me.
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Re: Forgrin (India) vs Sir_Musket (Russia) on High Plains [EP]
sdsanft wrote:Hazza54321 wrote:britishmusketeer wrote:I would rather sepoy than zam against russia
nah zamb are better for sure
Sepoy have siege so you can capitalize after winning a fight by killing fb, plus I think they're better while defending because zambs need room to kite, but I'm just a noob so don't listen to me.
zamb can stay out of range of the strel when kiting back cav
Re: Forgrin (India) vs Sir_Musket (Russia) on High Plains [EP]
Gibson suggested that I should have pushed instead of imp. bureau and Otto vills. What do ppl who watched the rec think of that?
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Re: Forgrin (India) vs Sir_Musket (Russia) on High Plains [EP]
zoom wrote:Russians is just broken...
Russia RE-> Worst civ
Russia EP-> Broken AF
15F change
More logical answer-> everyone just underestimate russia on RE
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Re: Forgrin (India) vs Sir_Musket (Russia) on High Plains [EP]
forgrin wrote:tedere12 wrote:watch H2O vs Darwin Giovanni or H2O vs mongo10 he plays this mu really well
Darwin does 5 coss 13 strel then throws the game after killing 4-5 vills, not sure how applicable that is.
and i feel he did spice trade WAYY to early, having not even sent, 700f/700c or better shipments imo, hence why his mass was smaller when H20 pushed.
Re: Forgrin (India) vs Sir_Musket (Russia) on High Plains [EP]
people were doing that spice trade build quite often at that time, I remember a guide to it on rts sanc
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Re: Forgrin (India) vs Sir_Musket (Russia) on High Plains [EP]
tedere12 wrote:people were doing that spice trade build quite often at that time, I remember a guide to it on rts sanc
Yes ik, but I just said vs India idk if its best thing because then H20's timing just overwhelms Darwin/Russia
Re: Forgrin (India) vs Sir_Musket (Russia) on High Plains [EP]
That's what you think!sirmusket wrote:zoom wrote:Russians is just broken...
Russia RE-> Worst civ
Russia EP-> Broken AF
15F change
More logical answer-> everyone just underestimate russia on RE
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Re: Forgrin (India) vs Sir_Musket (Russia) on High Plains [EP]
zoom wrote:That's what you think!sirmusket wrote:zoom wrote:Russians is just broken...
Russia RE-> Worst civ
Russia EP-> Broken AF
15F change
More logical answer-> everyone just underestimate russia on RE
its what a few people think, and its the truth imo
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Re: Forgrin (India) vs Sir_Musket (Russia) on High Plains [EP]
you know i'm no expert but I play a bit of india, so i'll point out how I would change things.
Imo when you go full eco early like this, you have to transition to army sooner to push out, at least against this boomy russia. By the time you got foreign logging, I your preffer 600g instead and spend all in army, and timming push with the 3 consulate hussars + 4 sowars on next card, your eco would be enough to keep production, and taking those tps out asap was a must.
Also, dont throw those 75export in the trash, you could have the hussars like 2 minutes earlier if it wasnt for that mistake. (just wait for 300e before allying!!)
I would also add a 2nd rax earlier since you had a lot of eco, try to better spending res (900f/900g at 13min!!!), and I would also make some sepoy. even tho zambs and good agasint cav, you dont have anything to tank, so mass cav can still kill all gurka before you clean it up). also, mm from oto consulate is good, try using it when possible.
But imo thats your biggest problem here was the map, a 5tp line is just to much to ignore and play standard in any mu.
I have done a build with india getting the tp waggon card first, forward agra over the line and played trying to control the line. idk if thats ideal agasint russia, but ignoring 5tps is pretty much suicide on most MUs.
Imo when you go full eco early like this, you have to transition to army sooner to push out, at least against this boomy russia. By the time you got foreign logging, I your preffer 600g instead and spend all in army, and timming push with the 3 consulate hussars + 4 sowars on next card, your eco would be enough to keep production, and taking those tps out asap was a must.
Also, dont throw those 75export in the trash, you could have the hussars like 2 minutes earlier if it wasnt for that mistake. (just wait for 300e before allying!!)
I would also add a 2nd rax earlier since you had a lot of eco, try to better spending res (900f/900g at 13min!!!), and I would also make some sepoy. even tho zambs and good agasint cav, you dont have anything to tank, so mass cav can still kill all gurka before you clean it up). also, mm from oto consulate is good, try using it when possible.
But imo thats your biggest problem here was the map, a 5tp line is just to much to ignore and play standard in any mu.
I have done a build with india getting the tp waggon card first, forward agra over the line and played trying to control the line. idk if thats ideal agasint russia, but ignoring 5tps is pretty much suicide on most MUs.
Re: Forgrin (India) vs Sir_Musket (Russia) on High Plains [EP]
lemmings121 wrote:you know i'm no expert but I play a bit of india, so i'll point out how I would change things.
Imo when you go full eco early like this, you have to transition to army sooner to push out, at least against this boomy russia. By the time you got foreign logging, I your preffer 600g instead and spend all in army, and timming push with the 3 consulate hussars + 4 sowars on next card, your eco would be enough to keep production, and taking those tps out asap was a must.
Also, dont throw those 75export in the trash, you could have the hussars like 2 minutes earlier if it wasnt for that mistake. (just wait for 300e before allying!!)
I would also add a 2nd rax earlier since you had a lot of eco, try to better spending res (900f/900g at 13min!!!), and I would also make some sepoy. even tho zambs and good agasint cav, you dont have anything to tank, so mass cav can still kill all gurka before you clean it up). also, mm from oto consulate is good, try using it when possible.
But imo thats your biggest problem here was the map, a 5tp line is just to much to ignore and play standard in any mu.
I have done a build with india getting the tp waggon card first, forward agra over the line and played trying to control the line. idk if thats ideal agasint russia, but ignoring 5tps is pretty much suicide on most MUs.
Excellent advice, ty lemmings :)
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