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General suggestions needed. I think I lost because my huss kindda got rekt by uhlans without musk support in the last fight, but I don't see how I can engage better vs skirms if he doesn't make a mistake. Maybe I should walk with musk forward and let the skirms take a few free shots idk.

Another thing I think I could've done better is to ship 700g instead of 8 bows and gone back a little.

700w/4cdb/600w and timing with 10musk/10huss/10 pikes when he reaches age3.

diarouga wrote:700w/4cdb/600w and timing with 10musk/10huss/10 pikes when he reaches age3.

i am pretty sure you cant get all that at the 8th minute

i dont know why people think musk huss works, one needs to go fortress and do goons cuirs

Because musk/huss well played works while goon/cuir doesn't?

diarouga wrote:Because musk/huss well played works while goon/cuir doesn''t?

and german fortress well played owns a well played musk huss too? BS vs nagayumi, nagayumi did a naked ff like ovi''s opponent... BS didnt spam muk huss instead aged too

lol I don't think people will agree at some point on the outcome of this mu, it's a very close one

diarouga wrote:Because musk/huss well played works while goon/cuir doesn''t?

I don''t see goon/cuir working in theory but against current-meta Germans, which is blind mass uhlan with skirm shipments, it''s a hard counter. That''s if they don''t adapt and make WW which, to be fair, a lot of players probably wouldn''t.

calmyourtits wrote:

diarouga wrote:Because musk/huss well played works while goon/cuir doesnt?

I dont see goon/cuir working in theory but against current-meta Germans, which is blind mass uhlan with skirm shipments, its a hard counter. Thats if they dont adapt and make WW which, to be fair, a lot of players probably wouldnt.

Musk/huss also counters skirm/uhlan.
But to be fair, germans semi>'>'>'fre semi

Agree but I don't see players making skirm/uhlan against musk/huss. There's a limit to how irrational players are about not making WW, and they happen to hard counter musk/huss.
And yeah Ger semi >' Fr semi but it's an okay gamble considering many players won't counter goon/cuir properly.
I'd say currently the best way to beat Germans is to abuse the fact that they aren't making anti-cav, and make full cav/anticav compositions. Pretty tough to beat that civ in a straight up game.

diarouga wrote:700w/4cdb/600w and timing with 10musk/10huss/10 pikes when he reaches age3.

If you have only 10 musk, he can target them with TC fire, target mm on them and ship 5 dopps.

ovi12 wrote:

diarouga wrote:700w/4cdb/600w and timing with 10musk/10huss/10 pikes when he reaches age3.

If you have only 10 musk, he can target them with TC fire, target mm on them and ship 5 dopps.

You have a scout, dont you? And if you scout a rax you can make 10 bows instead of 10 pikes.
If he goes dopp youll win later even if you loose the 1st fight.

diarouga wrote:

ovi12 wrote:If you have only 10 musk, he can target them with TC fire, target mm on them and ship 5 dopps.

You have a scout, dont you? And if you scout a rax you can make 10 bows instead of 10 pikes.
If he goes dopp youll win later even if you loose the 1st fight.

I meant ship 5 dopps not make, if he builds his houses close to TC you have no option but to be near TC, where 5 dopps and mm can pop out and you have only 7 musk left because if TC fire.

10 pike is good, but i think a few less huss and a few more musk is safer.

ovi12 wrote:

diarouga wrote:You have a scout, dont you? And if you scout a rax you can make 10 bows instead of 10 pikes.
If he goes dopp youll win later even if you loose the 1st fight.

I meant ship 5 dopps not make, if he builds his houses close to TC you have no option but to be near TC, where 5 dopps and mm can pop out and you have only 7 musk left because if TC fire.

You have more muskets coming, 5 dop is a bad shipment compared to 8 skirm.

a musk huss timing works. macro and micro better
and mixing with some xbow pike is better. so 700w 600w 8xbow is a wise BO.
french HAS to kill german in early age 2 so 4 cdbs are too slow.
besides, 5 dopple is great sometimes when your opponents army are just under you TC.

paul wrote:a musk huss timing works. macro and micro better
and mixing with some xbow pike is better. so 700w 600w 8xbow is a wise BO.
french HAS to kill german in early age 2 so 4 cdbs are too slow.
besides, 5 dopple is great sometimes when your opponents army are just under you TC.

700 w 600 w is x bow pike/ musk bow... bad idea :p 8 xbow mm and ulhans will wreck it.... and then age up with 700 gold....

paul wrote:a musk huss timing works. macro and micro better
and mixing with some xbow pike is better. so 700w 600w 8xbow is a wise BO.
french HAS to kill german in early age 2 so 4 cdbs are too slow.
besides, 5 dopple is great sometimes when your opponents army are just under you TC.

Hum, I''m not sure about that. 4 CDBs are very good, but it is a nice idea.

diarouga wrote:

paul wrote:a musk huss timing works. macro and micro better
and mixing with some xbow pike is better. so 700w 600w 8xbow is a wise BO.
french HAS to kill german in early age 2 so 4 cdbs are too slow.
besides, 5 dopple is great sometimes when your opponents army are just under you TC.

Hum, Im not sure about that. 4 CDBs are very good, but it is a nice idea.

that is an xbow pike build :p you really think it can work ?

mnogud wrote:

diarouga wrote:Hum, Im not sure about that. 4 CDBs are very good, but it is a nice idea.

that is an xbow pike build :p you really think it can work ?

It is a musk/bow build...

diarouga wrote:

mnogud wrote:that is an xbow pike build :p you really think it can work ?

It is a musk/bow build...

sure but 8 xbow ulhans and mm will wreck it anyways :happytomato:

mnogud wrote:

diarouga wrote:It is a musk/bow build...

sure but 8 xbow ulhans and mm will wreck it anyways :happytomato:

Is he semi ffing or playing age2?

diarouga wrote:

mnogud wrote:sure but 8 xbow ulhans and mm will wreck it anyways :happytomato:

Is he semi ffing or playing age2?

if pressured one can send 8bow first and age up later

playing colonial :S 10-15semi ftw
gg cometk

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IF someone want to see France 101010 BO. Here is a nice one .

tenkokugen14 wrote:IF someone want to see France 101010 BO. Here is a nice one .

Wow, this azertyuiopni guy is amazing, he''s so pro, his macro is just perfect. Imo he can win this tournament.