[RE] Two old india vs ottoman games

[fei123456]

These were the final games of the Chinese community tournaments (in 2013).
The indian guy didnt play much on eso, but the ottoman player is:

a good player indeed.
but he lost badly to india 10/10 rush, no chance to win at all why?

[frostofwinter]

imo the best way for otto to defeat india 11/10 is 200g+tower FF and choose abus gun as the fortress option.

[KINGofOsmane]

not sure how you can lose to 10/10 as otto

[lemmings121]

not sure how you can lose to 10/10 as otto

Yea, wouldn't oto age at the same time, build a rax, if 1010scouted oto can even ship 5 janis and have 10 janis waiting for the 12 sep? In theory it looks just fine for oto.. they will even have a better follow up

[deleted_user0]

Lol 10/10 vs Otto is just begging to lose. It only works if Otto goes too greedy. With tps

[fei123456]

Lol 10/10 vs Otto is just begging to lose. It only works if Otto goes too greedy. With tps

but how to kill the front agra?
siege 5000hp agra fort= 4 sowar/10tiger claw come out=gg
dont siege agra=starve to death

Here's a fresh game played tonight, played on klondike
both player are 2300+(indian guy may be higher)
ottoman go jan abus-siege agra-meet 10 tiger claw-gg

[tedere12]

you will be making unitss from 2 buildings and he will be able to make only from 1. Also im pretty sure 4 sowar die like flies to the otto mass. I doubt he can find 500 spare coin if he does 10/10

[fei123456]

you will be making unitss from 2 buildings and he will be able to make only from 1. Also im pretty sure 4 sowar die like flies to the otto mass. I doubt he can find 500 spare coin if he does 10/10

5sepoy-(4 sowar)-600g-10tiger claw

[oats13]

If anyone has a rec of a top player winning this mu vs a top 11/10 I would appreciate a link.

[deleted_user0]

Lol u don't have to push the Agra so early... when I'm home next week, I will show you so many ways how to beat this... starving Otto that's so funny man €_€

[deleted_user0]

imo the best way for otto to defeat india 11/10 is 200g+tower FF and choose abus gun as the fortress option.

That's probably the worst way to play vs it. But even that may work, it just shows how Otto favored this mu is.

[gibson]

imo the best way for otto to defeat india 11/10 is 200g+tower FF and choose abus gun as the fortress option.

That's probably the worst way to play vs it. But even that may work, it just shows how Otto favored this mu is.

Yea it's awful but it would work lol cause India 10/10will never have the mass to get down your tc and otto just wins with shipments

[frostofwinter]

Lol 10/10 vs Otto is just begging to lose. It only works if Otto goes too greedy. With tps

10/10 for India is not always a bad idea, India only sacrifices 2v eco, but gets more space with the very-early army. However, India's eco is still better than Otto's.

Here is an 40min india vs otto (well, the india guy is the one only using 10/10 and with 2700+ELO, and Otto also with a max ELO 2600+).

[deleted_user0]

Carolina is obviously more op for India 10/10 on this map so it's a bad game example. On no tp maps India should probably beat Otto as well. On maps as Carolina or Deccan, Otto should still win I think but it's much harder.

In itself 10/10 isn't bad for India I think, rushing 12 sepoy is tho, and forward Agra too. Vs a good Otto it shouldn't work if the map is normal. But I guess re maps. So rofl

[fei123456]

Carolina is obviously more op for India 10/10 on this map so it's a bad game example. On no tp maps India should probably beat Otto as well. On maps as Carolina or Deccan, Otto should still win I think but it's much harder.

In itself 10/10 isn't bad for India I think, rushing 12 sepoy is tho, and forward Agra too. Vs a good Otto it shouldn't work if the map is normal. But I guess re maps. So rofl

so i have two questions:
1. is "klondike" a normal map? otto can go 5tp boom, but it may be hard to defend the tp route. also the resources are mainly on the right part of the map.
2. what's the basic idea to break the agra? to do a later timing with jan+abus+8hussar, or a semiff, (5jan)-700w-700g-600g-age up?

[lemmings121]

Carolina is obviously more op for India 10/10 on this map so it's a bad game example. On no tp maps India should probably beat Otto as well. On maps as Carolina or Deccan, Otto should still win I think but it's much harder.

In itself 10/10 isn't bad for India I think, rushing 12 sepoy is tho, and forward Agra too. Vs a good Otto it shouldn't work if the map is normal. But I guess re maps. So rofl

Im pretty sure the problem here inst the 1010 or the 12sep rush, is clicking "ready" as india vs oto...


But ok, i might be wrong, will watch those recs when i can...

[deleted_user0]

Carolina is obviously more op for India 10/10 on this map so it's a bad game example. On no tp maps India should probably beat Otto as well. On maps as Carolina or Deccan, Otto should still win I think but it's much harder.

In itself 10/10 isn't bad for India I think, rushing 12 sepoy is tho, and forward Agra too. Vs a good Otto it shouldn't work if the map is normal. But I guess re maps. So rofl

so i have two questions:
1. is "klondike" a normal map? otto can go 5tp boom, but it may be hard to defend the tp route. also the resources are mainly on the right part of the map.
2. what's the basic idea to break the agra? to do a later timing with jan+abus+8hussar, or a semiff, (5jan)-700w-700g-600g-age up?

It's not a normal map but for this mu it's fair I think.

You break Agra normally with 20 jans 10 abus. But vs aggressive build you can wait to add Huss just to be sure.

Semi Ff is fine but not on Klondike u need more hunts

[deleted_user0]

Carolina is obviously more op for India 10/10 on this map so it's a bad game example. On no tp maps India should probably beat Otto as well. On maps as Carolina or Deccan, Otto should still win I think but it's much harder.

In itself 10/10 isn't bad for India I think, rushing 12 sepoy is tho, and forward Agra too. Vs a good Otto it shouldn't work if the map is normal. But I guess re maps. So rofl

Im pretty sure the problem here inst the 1010 or the 12sep rush, is clicking "ready" as india vs oto...


But ok, i might be wrong, will watch those recs when i can...

Yeah it's a tough mu, but India has chances

[fei123456]

It's not a normal map but for this mu it's fair I think.

You break Agra normally with 20 jans 10 abus. But vs aggressive build you can wait to add Huss just to be sure.

Semi Ff is fine but not on Klondike u need more hunts

so i strongly suggest you watch the rec i posted at #5.
the ottoman player tried to push the agra with the units you said (and he has 3 hussars too!), but india kill them all easily, without even losing many units.

[deleted_user0]

I will watch it, but undoubtedly the Otto player mismicroed or was too slow.

[deleted_user0]

It's not a normal map but for this mu it's fair I think.

You break Agra normally with 20 jans 10 abus. But vs aggressive build you can wait to add Huss just to be sure.

Semi Ff is fine but not on Klondike u need more hunts

so i strongly suggest you watch the rec i posted at #5.
the ottoman player tried to push the agra with the units you said (and he has 3 hussars too!), but india kill them all easily, without even losing many units.

lol that otto player was so terrible wtf...

first he sends 300w, so he ages slow, then he sends 3v after but its useless at this point. He opens 700c and hes only 2 jans out in his first batch... just ZZZZ

then he pushes at 9 min and he has only 15 jans... with 12 abus, which is a terrible ratio. He doesnt send mm with the push and 3 cav is useless here. And his micro was nonexistent.

this game only shows to me how bad otto must fuck up to lose it.



the 2013 g1... again 300w?! These guys cant otto. Hes slow to age as well, and he opens 700w against 10/10 rush =_= then he wastes his mm to save a dead tp. wut?!

and he still couldve won had he microed better and switched to huss earlier :/


2nd game wasnt even 10/10. The otto player just played abysmal. Again 300w start... I guess ye if u open 300w then u cant beat otto 10/10 rofl =_=

[KINGofOsmane]

It's not a normal map but for this mu it's fair I think.

You break Agra normally with 20 jans 10 abus. But vs aggressive build you can wait to add Huss just to be sure.

Semi Ff is fine but not on Klondike u need more hunts

so i strongly suggest you watch the rec i posted at #5.
the ottoman player tried to push the agra with the units you said (and he has 3 hussars too!), but india kill them all easily, without even losing many units.

lol that otto player was so terrible wtf...

first he sends 300w, so he ages slow, then he sends 3v after but its useless at this point. He opens 700c and hes only 2 jans out in his first batch... just ZZZZ

then he pushes at 9 min and he has only 15 jans... with 12 abus, which is a terrible ratio. He doesnt send mm with the push and 3 cav is useless here. And his micro was nonexistent.

this game only shows to me how bad otto must fuck up to lose it.



the 2013 g1... again 300w?! These guys cant otto. Hes slow to age as well, and he opens 700w against 10/10 rush =_= then he wastes his mm to save a dead tp. wut?!

and he still couldve won had he microed better and switched to huss earlier :/

OTTO MASTER

[momuuu]

It's not a normal map but for this mu it's fair I think.

You break Agra normally with 20 jans 10 abus. But vs aggressive build you can wait to add Huss just to be sure.

Semi Ff is fine but not on Klondike u need more hunts

so i strongly suggest you watch the rec i posted at #5.
the ottoman player tried to push the agra with the units you said (and he has 3 hussars too!), but india kill them all easily, without even losing many units.

lol that otto player was so terrible wtf...

first he sends 300w, so he ages slow, then he sends 3v after but its useless at this point. He opens 700c and hes only 2 jans out in his first batch... just ZZZZ

then he pushes at 9 min and he has only 15 jans... with 12 abus, which is a terrible ratio. He doesnt send mm with the push and 3 cav is useless here. And his micro was nonexistent.

this game only shows to me how bad otto must fuck up to lose it.



the 2013 g1... again 300w?! These guys cant otto. Hes slow to age as well, and he opens 700w against 10/10 rush =_= then he wastes his mm to save a dead tp. wut?!

and he still couldve won had he microed better and switched to huss earlier :/


2nd game wasnt even 10/10. The otto player just played abysmal. Again 300w start... I guess ye if u open 300w then u cant beat otto 10/10 rofl =_=

Even reading you talk about it makes my head heard. 300w - 3 vills 700w new meta?