two interesting strategies

fei123456 · Post by **fei123456** » 17 Jun 2015, 10:26

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maybe the best russian player ever: what's his BO against japan shrine boom? no eco rush:)
that sounds a noob way, but seems useful. monkeymagic reached pr40+ too and some people even think he is iamgrunt.
so what's the best way for russia to beat japan?

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a crazy wp boom: age up fast, send 3 wps and DANCE WITH ALL YOUR VILLS.
and you will have 10wps at 5:30. WTF
maybe it's a good counter to some certain strategies like india defensive agra and boom?

yemshi · Post by **yemshi** » 17 Jun 2015, 17:08

Game one was acctually casted by Interjection
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZXjsh0ahrU8

Game two: You can put your priests in cover mode.

jsimons1289 · Post by **jsimons1289** » 17 Jun 2015, 17:22

Russia vs Japan - early pressure vs Japan is always good, the problem is with how useless the Russian units are at sieging. You need to fully commit to the rush to have enough mass to keep the Japanese player contained.

I don't think this works as well anymore, though. People think more carefully about their building placement, and recognise Japan need to be pushed early. This leads to either walling, or making it very hard to get to the TC because of building placement. You need to be able to get to the side of the TC with your BH to push him off gold / food.

Also, the use of decent villager defense can beat a Russia all in strat. This probably works better on a water map where Russia can keep map control and boom behind early pressure to make up for the no early eco. On a land map it's all or nothing and you can't really adapt afterwards. With 2 scouts, it's likely the Japanese player will scout your BH / intentions!

yemshi · Post by **yemshi** » 17 Jun 2015, 17:26

constant vill production...
Japan behind a wall: ?!&%"()%T"$Z%&(!/)VH

zoom · Post by **zoom** » 18 Jun 2015, 20:11

Darwin Giovanny is not a bad player, but saying he is "maybe the best Russians player ever" or even anywhere close to one of the best is a terrible insult to so many players throughout AoE3 history.

Mimsy for President · Post by **Mimsy for President** » 18 Jun 2015, 22:46

Who's the best then ?

looks like I've just opened Pandora's box :-X

fei123456 · Post by **fei123456** » 19 Jun 2015, 00:25

zoom wrote:Darwin Giovanny is not a bad player, but saying he is "maybe the best Russians player ever" or even anywhere close to one of the best is a terrible insult to so many players throughout AoE3 history.

so whos better? h2o cant reach 2800 with russia only.

bart331 · Post by **bart331** » 19 Jun 2015, 08:11

paul wrote:
zoom wrote:Darwin Giovanny is not a bad player, but saying he is "maybe the best Russians player ever" or even anywhere close to one of the best is a terrible insult to so many players throughout AoE3 history.
so whos better? h2o cant reach 2800 with russia only.

Haha, that says it all

Marco1698 · Post by **Marco1698** » 19 Jun 2015, 11:29

paul wrote:
zoom wrote:Darwin Giovanny is not a bad player, but saying he is "maybe the best Russians player ever" or even anywhere close to one of the best is a terrible insult to so many players throughout AoE3 history.
so whos better? h2o cant reach 2800 with russia only.

h2o is very good with each civ he uses. Darwin is better with Russian than him and than every Russian player. Darwin is op with Russians like jui is op with brit for example. A lot of experience with that civ.

Aramir · Post by **Aramir** » 19 Jun 2015, 11:55

i highly doubt that darwin is better with russa than h2o or any other of the lets say 10 top players right now

iNcog · Post by **iNcog** » 19 Jun 2015, 16:19

well we had this debate in another thread

i think BSOP understands russia well enough to be better than darwin, maybe garja as well

i don't think i've ever seen H20 play russia so i don't think he'd be as good.

and ofc, there's somppu

deleted_user0 · Post by **deleted_user0** » 20 Jun 2015, 04:40

Garja doesnt russia and somppu isnt near darwin im sure he knows this too. Bsop has good russia and h2o is the superior player so if he would russia long enough hed surpass darwin surely. Soldier said hed get top10 elo with russia easy, but he gave up after losing a few games

jsimons1289 · Post by **jsimons1289** » 20 Jun 2015, 14:00

It depends on general skill as well as experience in MU's. Those with decent skills and lots of experience with Russia are likely to come out on top. Of course if the top players play Russia a lot they can catch up, but most of them don't.

fei123456 · Post by **fei123456** » 21 Jun 2015, 05:37

russia cant win india and sioux. never

[Armag] diarouga · Post by **[Armag] diarouga** » 21 Jun 2015, 09:39

paul wrote:russia cant win india and sioux. never

They can win sioux. A strong musk/strel timing is very hard to hold as sioux.

Goodspeed · Post by **Goodspeed** » 21 Jun 2015, 10:58

Darwin went no eco a lot. Pretty good against bad players (:))

glorious_ · Post by **glorious_** » 21 Jun 2015, 11:23

lol didn't we have this discussion about darwin. Imo still the best russ player in history.

fei123456 · Post by **fei123456** » 21 Jun 2015, 13:09

diarouga wrote:
paul wrote:russia cant win india and sioux. never
They can win sioux. A strong musk/strel timing is very hard to hold as sioux.

semiff rapes them all. wakina has 4.6 speed.

fei123456 · Post by **fei123456** » 21 Jun 2015, 13:17

sioux semiff can reach age3 in less than 8:00. by that time russia has 30 musk at most? 9 wakina with aura rape them all. 3 dog soldiers with warchief can tank 3500+ damages.

deleted_user0 · Post by **deleted_user0** » 21 Jun 2015, 13:40

calmyourtits wrote:Darwin went no eco a lot. Pretty good against bad players? (:))

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He actually didnt, hes one of the more greedy russia players our there. Going for tps, early spice trades or all out water with upgrades

fei123456 · Post by **fei123456** » 21 Jun 2015, 14:04

calmyourtits wrote:Darwin went no eco a lot. Pretty good against bad players? (:))

monkeymagic is not noob

Goodspeed · Post by **Goodspeed** » 21 Jun 2015, 16:47

umeu wrote:
calmyourtits wrote:Darwin went no eco a lot. Pretty good against bad players (:))
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He actually didnt, hes one of the more greedy russia players our there. Going for tps, early spice trades or all out water with upgrades

Yes Russia is supposed to be greedy. Going no eco 1 out of 10 games is already a lot. But like I said its good against lesser players, and on RE maps for that matter, so no ones blaming anyone for using it. Definitely not the way to beat a good Japan player though. Jsimons was pretty much spot on.

deleted_user0 · Post by **deleted_user0** » 22 Jun 2015, 00:11

Where do you base that 10% number on? I think you just made it up...

I talked to him about this game and strat actualky, and he agrees that jap should beat russia. No eco was just a desperation thing, its what he does when he thinks a mu is hopeless. You honestly gave quite the bias imo, while you actually barely know a thing about him or the reasons behind his choices. Obv he was pkaying qs, so its either resign or just try something

Goodspeed · Post by **Goodspeed** » 22 Jun 2015, 07:41

Contain while aggressively killing shrines or 7-8 min timing are the best tries against a good Jap. But again, agaisnt lesser players (and Darwin was a lot better than most of his opponents) no eco rushing works like a charm so no one's blaming anyone for doing it especially on RE maps. No bias here, just relativism. The point is that theoretically the build loses and a competent Jap will beat it easily. In fact seeing the fast rush will be a load off his mind because an opposing Russian contain or well-timed push is actually pretty scary as Japan whereas a rush isn't really. Walls pretty good.

Then again you could ask yourself how many Jap players are there currently who are comfortable defending early rushes? We haven't seen many no eco rushes in competitive play lately (for good reason) so probably not a lot.

deleted_user0 · Post by **deleted_user0** » 22 Jun 2015, 09:42

Fair enough

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