Jerom_ vs GoodSpeed

[Mr_Bramboy]

[spoiler=Results]3-1 for GoodSpeed[/spoiler]

[Hazza54321]

are you jeroms bitch?

[born2believe]

Did GS play Sioux?

[momuuu]

He'd be gs's bitch then.

Ggs mart, my shape wasnt good enough to win here tbh.

[Mr_Bramboy]

are you jeroms bitch?

GS couldn't submit the results. I don't trust jerom to upload the results himself so I figured it'd be best to do it myself

[Goodspeed]

GGs I love how in game 4 my 1 pike was able to scout your entire base at like 7 min and get out unharmed. Such a nice peaceful early game.

[momuuu]

Units overrated. Tbh think that bo of mine with a little bit more skill would win. Really sucked that I had soundbug :/

[Goodspeed]

Yeah it does okay, thing is you don't really have an effective counter to longbows. Also Brits have free map control from early fort because their boom is twice as cheap and I don't think they ever lose the map after that.
I liked the art from you, it's funny because I was actually planning to art off my 1000w but decided against it because I didn't have 1000c in deck, but then I had to do it anyway because you did.

[momuuu]

Tbh, double stable with some skirms does the job, in my experience.

[fei123456]

game 1: how did goodspeed lose with 150 military population vs 80? is it because goodspeed once said "china shouldn't play age 2", so he has to lose the game even if he has a huge advantage?
game 2: traditional ottoman ff can't even beat port in RE. if jerom take control of the tp route, go abus+cav archer, it may be better
game 4: if dutch do a bank wagon start, have 5 hussar at 5:30, he can kill 5+ vills easily.

[pecelot]

traditional ottoman ff can't even beat port in RE.

[fei123456]

traditional ottoman ff can't even beat port in RE.

i mean port has tons of TCs and minutemen, so all-in 2cannon 5mameluke push won't work.
however if ottoman do something different (3TC, stagecoach, semiFI, etc) they can win easily.

[Garja]

Easily not at all

[pecelot]

You forget about 40 additional jans and seem to vastly overestimate the power of CM and Ports in general on RE

[rsy]

game 1: how did goodspeed lose with 150 military population vs 80? is it because goodspeed once said "china shouldn't play age 2", so he has to lose the game even if he has a huge advantage?
game 2: traditional ottoman ff can't even beat port in RE. if jerom take control of the tp route, go abus+cav archer, it may be better
game 4: if dutch do a bank wagon start, have 5 hussar at 5:30, he can kill 5+ vills easily.

btw i just noticed in game 1 if goodspeed had gone for the tc straight away, he wouldve won the game at like 8:30. He ended up killing two banks instead which is even more hp than the tc (8k vs 6.5k). Maybe his train of thought was that if jerom just made another batch of skirms/if he had minutemen earlier to go along with the skirms, he would've lost too many pikis but either way he had a good chance of winning g1. Honestly even if he went for rax first, and then houses it would've been better. Any thoughts? @Goodspeed

[Goodspeed]

Didn't want to overextend, planned on killing 1 bank got 2 so I was happy. Colonial is not where I went wrong, it went according to plan. Fortress did too except I got impatient, really had no reason to push there. Should've just gone 200/200 and aged, there is no way Dutch outscales China at that point.

[fei123456]

Didn't want to overextend, planned on killing 1 bank got 2 so I was happy. Colonial is not where I went wrong, it went according to plan. Fortress did too except I got impatient, really had no reason to push there. Should've just gone 200/200 and aged, there is no way Dutch outscales China at that point.

you need a twin-face armor (is it called this? im not sure but i mean the cav hp+rr) to destroy ruyter+skirm combo. see kaiser vs knuschelbar game 2

[P i k i l i c]

you need a twin-face armor (is it called this? im not sure but i mean the cav hp+rr) to destroy ruyter+skirm combo. see kaiser vs knuschelbar game 2

Double-faced armor

[deleted_user0]

Just semi fi and u cant lose.

[momuuu]

I guess I could finally give some thoughts on this. Game 1 I scouted that he was gathering wood and I scouted his rax but my envoy didnt really saw any units coming from the rax and then I got confused and did a shitty build, although I think the amount I was behind was slightly overstated. Dutch does at least for a bit outscale china although going industrial could have been punishing I suppose. Game 2 Mitoe didnt explain to me I actually needed to get stagecoach, so thats that. Game 3 I executed the rush poorly, I felt like doing a cheese because I didnt feel well prepared. Game 4 I tested greed dutch vs greed british and it worked but I guess that was faulty testing. Dont even know if Dutch can beat that stuff (or really, general greedy brit hussar semi ff too), but I was too rusty to play other civs than dutch at any level. Also recall having severe soundbug, hardly a valid excuse ofc but I wonder how much that actually ended up affecting me.

[DaRkNiTe1698]

Dutch needs a nerf, and if you want buff it then try another way, seriously their eco is insane with the 5th bank. No surprise goodspeed did lose 1 game vs them

[fei123456]

650 res bank is not OP. but 130*4 xp is.
i would set bank limit back to 4, while adding a 5 hussar shipment (or 1 culverin shipment) to age 3.

[Jaeger]

650 res bank is not OP. but 130*4 xp is.
i would set bank limit back to 4, while adding a 5 hussar shipment (or 1 culverin shipment) to age 3.

Dutch is supposed to be boom civ. Also it adds some nice decision making whether to build the 5th bank

[momuuu]

If anything this series would show dutch needs a buff.

[gibson]

If anything this series would show dutch needs a buff.

You're trolling right?