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Goodspeed wrote:The only argument against a harmless drug like weed is the gateway effect, but in a way everything good in life could potentially be a gateway to something bad.
Didnt I say something earlier that legal weed might be less of a gateway than illegal weed. I mean, you're now just getting weed in a reasonably controlled environment, no need for dealers or slightly shady things. I can imagine that makes the step to more intensive drugs much larger.
The rather ugly, finer elements of that is that the relative gateway effect will decrease greatly, whereas the absolute effect will increase greatly, as there would be so many more users.
A quick wikipedia search on weed and usage seems to imply that effect is either undetectable or very small. It does not seem like the Netherlands has abnormally many coke users compared to their weed users (which, by the way, is pretty low).
I can confirm first person that Liberal assholes are wrong an the coffeeshops are full of addicted ppl. The absolute majority does buy their pot daily. The amount of money spent isn't good either... even yesterday a mother of 5 yr old kid (taken away from her) keeps "choosing" to get weed instead of rebuilding herself an her ppl. I believe she doesn't want to but has to. Coffeeshops in NL has ruined thousands. Agree with Goodspeed aswell, that's why on the parkingplace ppl hangout where you get coke and shit
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Its immoral to legalize weed because its like saying "yeah its okay to do stuff thats bad for you we dont care". But well, fast food isnt forbidden either. Or alcohol. Or smoking.
Interesting point. I've gotten the feeling, after watching debates on this matter, that many people who are against decriminalization still feel that all the practical things we could accomplish by decriminalization are good.
Which raises the question why are they against it. I think this is partly the answer, they don't want to give people the signal that it's morally acceptable. Which raises another interesting question; is legality the same thing as something being morally acceptable?
dietschlander wrote:I can confirm first person that Liberal assholes are wrong an the coffeeshops are full of addicted ppl. The absolute majority does buy their pot daily. The amount of money spent isn't good either... even yesterday a mother of 5 yr old kid (taken away from her) keeps "choosing" to get weed instead of rebuilding herself an her ppl. I believe she doesn't want to but has to. Coffeeshops in NL has ruined thousands. Agree with Goodspeed aswell, that's why on the parkingplace ppl hangout where you get coke and shit
The data do not seem to imply that dutch people are off worse than people from other countries. It doesnt seem to make much difference at all in fact.
Its immoral to legalize weed because its like saying "yeah its okay to do stuff thats bad for you we dont care". But well, fast food isnt forbidden either. Or alcohol. Or smoking.
Interesting point. I've gotten the feeling, after watching debates on this matter, that many people who are against decriminalization still feel that all the practical things we could accomplish by decriminalization are good.
Which raises the question why are they against it. I think this is partly the answer, they don't want to give people the signal that it's morally acceptable. Which raises another interesting question; is legality the same thing as something being morally acceptable?
Well, probably not. I mean there's a ridiculous amount of things that are legal but bad for you. Alcohol is the most prominent one, being more damaging than weed I believe. But that case is complicated because alcohol really is a core element of our society.
Its not the best gesture to say 'hey just go do harmful stuff, its okay' but that doesnt really seem to affect the behaviour of people.
dietschlander wrote:I can confirm first person that Liberal assholes are wrong an the coffeeshops are full of addicted ppl. The absolute majority does buy their pot daily. The amount of money spent isn't good either... even yesterday a mother of 5 yr old kid (taken away from her) keeps "choosing" to get weed instead of rebuilding herself an her ppl. I believe she doesn't want to but has to. Coffeeshops in NL has ruined thousands. Agree with Goodspeed aswell, that's why on the parkingplace ppl hangout where you get coke and shit
Do you really think we need a coffee shop for that result ?
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not really, it would be more expensive and kids would buy it less check street price vs shop price in the us. dealers would prob have to relate on hard drugs, and I believe growing would be even more restricted not to compete with the legal one but not sure abt that at 14 you want to do what's illegal, not what necessarily feels good. and in countries like france I'm pretty sure it would be very restricted if its one day legalized, which I don't think will happen before at least 8-10years
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Its almost factual that legalizing weed doesn't matter. Please go to wikipedia and look up weed usage per country. Then examine the weed usage in the Netherlands (where weed has been legal for as long as I have lived).
Nice blanket judgement. Those are always so insightful. Kinda like the great lengths you'll go to in order to defend treaty as the better game mode or America as the best country. Sure America is great and all but more than likely you're a backwards ass individualist stumbling out of a mcdicks.
Jerom wrote:Its almost factual that legalizing weed doesn't matter. Please go to wikipedia and look up weed usage per country. Then examine the weed usage in the Netherlands (where weed has been legal for as long as I have lived).
DivineFire wrote:Nice blanket judgement. Those are always so insightful. Kinda like the great lengths you'll go to in order to defend treaty as the better game mode or America as the best country. Sure America is great and all but more than likely you're a backwards ass individualist stumbling out of a mcdicks.
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Goodspeed wrote:Maybe it will become legal at some point but nobody will care. At that point we may already have much better drugs than that. Side effects shmide effects. Imagine a side-effect free heroin
It seems silly to me that a drug would stay illegal when the only one you are harming by using it is yourself. We humans are relatively liberal now, but not half as liberal as we're going to be.
What I'm trying to say though is that not only would we have to be a lot more than twice as liberal; we would also have to be completely insane.
How do you figure? Do you think everyone would start using it or something?
No, but a lot more would and the toll on the healthcare system would be enormous, and such a progressive society would not deny users care.
Jerom wrote:Its almost factual that legalizing weed doesn't matter. Please go to wikipedia and look up weed usage per country. Then examine the weed usage in the Netherlands (where weed has been legal for as long as I have lived).
How about not every place can and should be compared to the Netherlands--a small country with quite different demographic and cultural factors at play than say a place like the US. The argument that legalization in some places will have a similar outcome as the Netherlands is straight up Lebanon county Bologna.
Also check out some interesting findings about weed usage:
Jerom wrote:Its almost factual that legalizing weed doesn't matter. Please go to wikipedia and look up weed usage per country. Then examine the weed usage in the Netherlands (where weed has been legal for as long as I have lived).
How about not every place can and should be compared to the Netherlands--a small country with quite different demographic and cultural factors at play than say a place like the US. The argument that legalization in some places will have a similar outcome as the Netherlands is straight up Lebanon county Bologna.
Also check out some interesting findings about weed usage:
Goodspeed wrote:The only argument against a harmless drug like weed is the gateway effect, but in a way everything good in life could potentially be a gateway to something bad.
Didnt I say something earlier that legal weed might be less of a gateway than illegal weed. I mean, you're now just getting weed in a reasonably controlled environment, no need for dealers or slightly shady things. I can imagine that makes the step to more intensive drugs much larger.
The rather ugly, finer elements of that is that the relative gateway effect will decrease greatly, whereas the absolute effect will increase greatly, as there would be so many more users.
A quick wikipedia search on weed and usage seems to imply that effect is either undetectable or very small. It does not seem like the Netherlands has abnormally many coke users compared to their weed users (which, by the way, is pretty low).
You may have missed my point: They don't have abnormally many cocaine users compared to their marijuana users, but they have abnormally many cocaine users compared to countries with fewer weed users. In other words, the relative gateway effect is drastically decreased with legalization, but the absolute one is increased, on the back of there being so many more users.
Goodspeed wrote:Maybe it will become legal at some point but nobody will care. At that point we may already have much better drugs than that. Side effects shmide effects. Imagine a side-effect free heroin
It seems silly to me that a drug would stay illegal when the only one you are harming by using it is yourself. We humans are relatively liberal now, but not half as liberal as we're going to be.
What I'm trying to say though is that not only would we have to be a lot more than twice as liberal; we would also have to be completely insane.
How do you figure? Do you think everyone would start using it or something?
No, but a lot more would and the toll on the healthcare system would be enormous, and such a progressive society would not deny users care.
Seems premature to talk about a future society that way. For all we know health care is completely automated. I didn't mention a timespan...
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