vegans!

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[Zhanson10]

Yeah, u can deprive yourself of vital nutrients all you want, but if you feed a vegan diet to your children, then you're guilty of child abuse and deprivation.

[deleted_user0]

I trolled some vegans in this thread if anyone is interested, was surprised at the answers I got: https://www.reddit.com/r/vegan/comments ... with_this/

Anyway, really in the end I think that it's perfectly morally sound to end life in the name of eating well and also eating simply. I know that if I eat relatively varied (meat, veggies, dairy, etc.) then I'm going to be in good health.

Turning to veganism makes things unbearably complicated for no reason: will I get enough protein this way, what supplements am I lacking, etc.

They talk about the food pyramid but I much prefer a food circle where you basically take fruit/vegetables/meat/fish/dairy/grains in roughly even quantities. Don't need too much, just "enough" is fine. I'm not taking going to go out of my way to change my eating habits which are already pretty much fine. I'm as healthy as they come..

Now, the second reason that I'd not turn to veganism is that in the end, it's not natural to place undue stress on not

There is to me, no difference, between the morals of killing a plant for sustenance and an animal for sustance. Both are alive. The animal, by the way, is also, as we all are, condemned to die. To me there is little difference in dying tomorrow and dying in 40 years. Either way, I'm equally dead. Obviously I want to keep alive for as long as possible, but if tomorrow I have a freak accident and die, well, that's that. I give my life meaning when I'm alive, not when or how I die.

Where there IS a difference between ending animal life and plant life is that plant life (arguably..) does not suffer upon dying. I say arguably since some plants have been known to release toxins when under attack, trees are able to bear scars, get infected, etc. Anyway, I digress. As long as the animal does not suffer excessively upon its death, then it's fine. As long as the animal has lived a good life (and here we can truly start debating animal cruelty), then it's fine. Duration of life doesn't even matter. I'd rather spend 20 good years of life than 50 miserable ones.

It's a perfectly natural thing for animals to kill each other for sustenance. As apex predators (until aliens arrive), there's nothing wrong with us killing for sustenance. I don't see the point of anti-natural behavior in the name of some bullshit morals. Half of Africa is malnourished and no vegan gives a shit. To me, that shows that vegans view humans as less than animals, which is completely fucking stupid.

I'm also tired of that "there's no need" argument which I see popping up. Whether it's firearms or eating meat, I don't care, there's no need for anything.

how fucking boring must france be boredcog... damnit

[tedere12]

Yeah, u can deprive yourself of vital nutrients all you want, but if you feed a vegan diet to your children, then you're guilty of child abuse and deprivation.

please explain me of what nutrients are vegans deprived of

[Zhanson10]

Yeah, u can deprive yourself of vital nutrients all you want, but if you feed a vegan diet to your children, then you're guilty of child abuse and deprivation.

please explain me of what nutrients are vegans deprived of

https://www.sott.net/article/321968-Sev ... ng-surgery

[Goodspeed]

I trolled some vegans in this thread if anyone is interested, was surprised at the answers I got: https://www.reddit.com/r/vegan/comments ... with_this/

What the actual shit

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[Garja]

ahah that site, people are really fucked up

[tedere12]

Yeah, u can deprive yourself of vital nutrients all you want, but if you feed a vegan diet to your children, then you're guilty of child abuse and deprivation.

please explain me of what nutrients are vegans deprived of

https://www.sott.net/article/321968-Sev ... ng-surgery

vitamin D is produced when your skin is in contact with the sunm there's no defeciency of this vitamin to vegans. If you live in a northen country you can consume vitamin D supplements.
These in no difference in risk in fracture risk between vegans and meat eaters who are at least consuming 525ml of calcium per day, and also research shows that dairy increase the risk of fracture risk. Source: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17299475
Brocolli is an adequate source of zinic.
Vegans and vegeterians are no more likely to suffer from iron deficiency than meat eaters. Source : http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25369923
B12 is produced by bacteria found in freshwater. The only reason meat is a high source of b12 is because it is artificially fortified. There are also vegan fortified foods and b12 suplements for vegan for that reason.

As about meat, there is a higher risk of getting heart desease, diabetes and cancer when you counsume it. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2121650/

Generally, yes the vegan diet is supperior to the paleo diet for health and ethical reasons.

[deleted_user0]

ye i dont understand why you would go online just to troll peoples beliefs by pretending to be like them, thats quite fucked up.

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[tedere12]

milk comes from torture and thievery

https://www.reddit.com/r/vegan/comments ... iculty_at/

has this person ever met a dairy cow?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mt0CyRUEtCs have you?

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[tedere12]

have you?

I live in Brittany, dairy cows are everywhere.

I'm not saying that all cows are treated fairly and equally. However the video you're showing is only one point of view of that industry. It's not all like that.

Where I live, namely in rural France, dairy cows roam free in green fields under sunlight. Whenever I go out for a run, I'm face to face with them, so yes, I have met them.

I've gone and run after my dumb dog barking at a bull in a field full of cows. One big badass bull who gave not a single damn fuck about a dog barking its ass off at it. He was so chill I went up and scratched his head while my dog was barking at him.

So yes, I know cows. Tell me more about the terrible lives they lead compared to animals in the wild, constantly running away from predators (I'm looking at you, god damn lions). go watch hyneas eat zebras alive on youtube and then tell me that the cows my dog barks at lead difficult lives

Just because amerifats don't respect animal life (well, they don't respect much, just look at John Oliver discussing prison and mandatory minimums) doesn't mean that this applies to the whole world. If really want to make a difference for animals, then stupid veganism isn't going to help.

Go try to be an activist about it, write to your senator, do something else, I don't know. but eating lettuce doesn't help domestic animals live in better conditions. If anything, that loss of revenue makes industrial farm companies try to cut corners even more and those corners they cut is the animals who suffer for it.

As oppose to that, we go to our local butchers where the meat is of excellent quality. That meat is only of that quality of the animal led a pleasant life, grazing grass, in the first place.

The cows you and PETA are showing are the ones run by huge companies who are seeking tight margins in the processed food industry. Obviously not all animals live in conditions I describe, but many do.

Cows have to get pregnant to be able to produce milk and their children are torn away from them and put into veal industry. And you know what happens there... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ADX6y85dbZw
Also what do you think that happens to cows when they can not produce milk?

[tedere12]

Wow, the amount of misinformation in this thread is terrifying. I suggest you guys to watch these documentaries to understand the vegan movement better.
Cowspiracy: http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2zuhks
Earthlings: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oqegE8xYygY

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[tedere12]

Anyway, I don't mind vegans, as long as they don't bother me

to me this thread is basically discussing religion. i'm just pointing out how bullshit veganism is, but it's a free society you live in, feel free to do whatever you want

you are not pointing out anything, you have no arguements. What you eat is your business tho and I respect it.

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[Dolan]

Well, veganism in the West kinda goes hand in hand with Western males becoming cucks, while immigrants are taking over their women.

So Western men are looking for yet another cause to make them look like heroes, but it has all gotten so ridiculous. While immigrant men come to the West, not giving a shit about animals' pain, eating almost anything, being all alpha and getting Western women easily, Western men are playing with anime dolls, going vegan, protesting for the rights of immigrants, playing vydia games and only going outside to search for Pokemons.

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[tedere12]

I trolled some vegans in this thread if anyone is interested, was surprised at the answers I got: https://www.reddit.com/r/vegan/comments ... with_this/

Anyway, really in the end I think that it's perfectly morally sound to end life in the name of eating well and also eating simply. I know that if I eat relatively varied (meat, veggies, dairy, etc.) then I'm going to be in good health.
Actually, no. I could write down why but instead I post this video which explains it better https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WHdfeR8dfJo
Turning to veganism makes things unbearably complicated for no reason: will I get enough protein this way, what supplements am I lacking, etc.
This research might enlighten you. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3967195/
They talk about the food pyramid but I much prefer a food circle where you basically take fruit/vegetables/meat/fish/dairy/grains in roughly even quantities. Don't need too much, just "enough" is fine. I'm not taking going to go out of my way to change my eating habits which are already pretty much fine. I'm as healthy as they come..

Now, the second reason that I'd not turn to veganism is that in the end, it's not natural to place undue stress on not

There is to me, no difference, between the morals of killing a plant for sustenance and an animal for sustance. Both are alive. The animal, by the way, is also, as we all are, condemned to die. To me there is little difference in dying tomorrow and dying in 40 years. Either way, I'm equally dead. Obviously I want to keep alive for as long as possible, but if tomorrow I have a freak accident and die, well, that's that. I give my life meaning when I'm alive, not when or how I die.
Meat is not nessecary for your survival and health. In fact it damages your health more that it benefits it. I know that most of you are used to the taste of meat and could not do without it but there are several meat replacements made of soy that taste the same if not better than meat.
Where there IS a difference between ending animal life and plant life is that plant life (arguably..) does not suffer upon dying. I say arguably since some plants have been known to release toxins when under attack, trees are able to bear scars, get infected, etc. Anyway, I digress. As long as the animal does not suffer excessively upon its death, then it's fine. As long as the animal has lived a good life (and here we can truly start debating animal cruelty), then it's fine. Duration of life doesn't even matter. I'd rather spend 20 good years of life than 50 miserable ones.
You shouldn't be the one to decide when the life of another creature should be terminated. With great power comes great responsibility and your actions are irresponsible.
It's a perfectly natural thing for animals to kill each other for sustenance. As apex predators (until aliens arrive), there's nothing wrong with us killing for sustenance. I don't see the point of anti-natural behavior in the name of some bullshit morals. Half of Africa is malnourished and no vegan gives a shit. To me, that shows that vegans view humans as less than animals, which is completely fucking stupid.
Everyone is fighting for something, vegans are fighting for the stop of animal cruelty. You can recognise a problem as more important but you can't deny a problem's existence.
I'm also tired of that "there's no need" argument which I see popping up. Whether it's firearms or eating meat, I don't care, there's no need for anything.
So what you're saying is that you are tired of hearing arguments you can not reply to! I could say a lot of things about that but I am not this kind of person.

[Goodspeed]

Well, veganism in the West kinda goes hand in hand with Western males becoming cucks, while immigrants are taking over their women.

So Western men are looking for yet another cause to make them look like heroes, but it has all gotten so ridiculous. While immigrant men come to the West, not giving a shit about animals' pain, eating almost anything, being all alpha and getting Western women easily, Western men are playing with anime dolls, going vegan, protesting for the rights of immigrants, playing vydia games and only going outside to search for Pokemons.

Well at least we're going outside now. Score

[fei123456]

lol i saw NCBI on eso community?!