Coup in Turkey ~ Breeze please stay safe!

[Le Dragon]

Emotional defiance is what made Britain leave the EU.

[Dolan]

Keep following Papa Roach Erdogan, you got a bright future ahead with him.

Yeah, at least I'm a keyboard warrior, not a papa roach follower, like yourself. I think for myself, I don't wait for the imam to tell me what to think, what is good and what is not.

Right now, Erdogan has ordered the arrest of over 3000 judges. What the heck do judges have to do with a military coup? It must be that the intelligence has been keeping tabs on those judges and considered them to have different political opinions, so they wouldn't be trustable. Otherwise, I don't see any legal argument for arresting or dismissing 3000 judges who didn't even participate in this military coup. It's clear that Erdogan has launched a massive campaign of removing any potential opposition to his regime and he will install only his loyalists in public positions. This is hillarious for a country that claims to be a democracy. Positions in the judiciary should not be politically tampered with, the judiciary should be a separate power in the state, independent from political influence. Erdogan proves once again he is an antidemocratic leader, and the people supporting him obviously don't have anything in common with democracy.

And yeah, this is tragic, right now Erdogan's supporters are chanting in the streets, asking for a return to death penalty, they want those who participated in the coup to be executed. Even if, most likely, most of them were just conscript soldiers who had no idea what they were participating in, many said they thought it was just a defense exercise. They just obeyed orders from other officers. And these conscript soldiers have been rounded up and thrown together like sacks of sand in small rooms:

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These are the soldiers who survived, because many of them have been killed by civilians:

Soldier beheaded even though he refused to shoot civilians, but once he was caught by civilians, they killed him ISIS-style --->

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I think a more normal approach would have been to arrest and put to trial those soldiers who opened fire, because not all soldiers opened fire. The irony is, those who didn't open fire were still caught by civilians and killed. They were killed for nothing, they probably had no idea why they got send by their officers in those positions.

But in the end, you ended up killing your own people, Turks on both sides. It was pretty much a small civil war that took place in a few hours. And who has most to gain from this bloody event? Surely not the people who are being used now to defend Erdogan's regime. But whatever, you will realise this maybe 15 years from now on or later.

[deleted_user]

you are still "idiotic poster" and "keyboard warrior" ofcourse he will arrest thraitors. idgaf what you and idiots like you say, he does the right way.
btw the nsfw Picture is proven to be belong to 2006 military accident. its not even happened near this time, but you are fucking piece of shit idiot faggot keyboard warrior still makes retardness with your houseless ideas

[Dolan]

Your Arabic media says this picture is from the coup:
http://treckat.com/world/180916/%D9%81% ... D8%A9.html

As well as this one:

ofcourse he will arrest thraitors.

How the hell did he establish that 3000 judges were traitors in a few hours? Did those judges participate in the military coup? Where's the evidence? Of course you believe more what Erdogan says than what evidence would say. In a normal democracy you let the institutions work and check each other, through the balance of powers. But this is totally alien to you. For you Erdogan is and should be the only power: he is the executive, the judiciary and the legislative powers in one person. The judiciary/the law should also be subordinated to Erdogan, right? Welcome to Turkey, home to a very original democracy, kek.

I think it's clear at this point that Turkey is not a democracy anymore. Holding elections is not enough to have a democracy. Even China holds elections. You need to have separation of powers between: the executive power, the judiciary power, the legislative power, and last but not least, the free press should also be considered the 4th power in a state. Erdogan has clamped down on the press, he's replacing everyone who is not on his side from all institutions, no matter whether this is constitutional or not. According to the constitution he has no such powers, but who cares. He's doing "the right thing", putting roaches in their places.

[deleted_user]

you are stupid to understand sry. keep sucking your zionist media

[Garja]

Don't flame.

[deleted_user]

whats flame here? if hes free to talk shit, i can respond answer i think,

btw, head of coup's situation right now, the thraitor, and all of them support this will be arrested too,

so meuron, you can expect much more arrests around 15k-20k or maybe more, death penalty also being considered btw.

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[deleted_user]

more photos =

[deleted_user]

coup is failed,...now is time for "psikolojik war and propaganda"
coup makers got this idea from their leaders':
1. "it was game of erdogan," share it,.
2. make news about a few injured soldier and try to hide the coup crimes.
3. make lie news(cutten head etc..).

[Dolan]

WILL THERE BE A COUP AGAINST ERDOGAN IN TURKEY?
Turks—and the Turkish military—increasingly recognize that Erdogan is taking Turkey to the precipice.

ARTICLE PUBLISHED IN NEWSWEEK
BY MICHAEL RUBIN ON 24 MARCH 2016 AT 11:21 AM

The situation in Turkey is bad and getting worse.

It’s not just the deterioration in security amidst a wave of terrorism. Public debt might be stable, but private debt is out of control (http://www.tcmb.gov.tr/wps/wcm/connect/ ... elismeleri), the tourism sector is in free-fall (http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/lets-a ... sCatID=540) and the decline in the currency (https://www.google.com/finance/getchart ... 5Y&i=86400) has impacted every citizen’s buying power.

There is a broad sense, election results notwithstanding, that President Recep Tayyip Erdogan is out of control (https://www.aei.org/publication/erdogan ... r-respect/). He is imprisoning opponents, seizing newspapers left and right and building palaces at the rate of a mad sultan or aspiring caliph (http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/turkis ... sCatID=338). In recent weeks, he has once again threatened to dissolve the constitutional court (http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-turkey ... KKCN0WD1ML).

Corruption is rife. His son Bilal reportedly fled Italy on a forged Saudi diplomatic passport as the Italian police closed in on him in an alleged money laundering scandal. --> http://awdnews.com/top-news/rome%E2%80% ... b-diplomat

His outbursts are raising eyebrows both in Turkey and abroad. Even members of his ruling party whisper about his increasing paranoia (https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions ... story.html) which, according to some Turkish officials, has gotten so bad that he seeks to install anti-aircraft missiles at his palace to prevent airborne men-in-black from targeting him in a snatch-and-grab operation.

Turks—and the Turkish military—increasingly recognize that Erdogan is taking Turkey to the precipice. By first bestowing legitimacy upon imprisoned Kurdish leader Abdullah Öcalan with renewed negotiations and then precipitating renewed conflict, he has taken Turkey down a path in which there is no chance of victory and a high chance of de facto partition.

After all, if civil war renews as in the 1980s and early 1990s, Turkey’s Kurds will be hard-pressed to settle for anything less, all the more so given the precedent now established by their brethren in Iraq and Syria.

Erdogan long ago sought to kneecap the Turkish military. For the first decade of his rule, both the U.S. government and European Union cheered him on. But that was before even Erdogan’s most ardent foreign apologists recognized the depth of his descent into madness and autocracy.

So if the Turkish military moves to oust Erdogan and place his inner circle behind bars, could they get away with it?

In the realm of analysis rather than advocacy, the answer is yes. At this point in election season, it is doubtful that the Obama administration would do more than castigate any coup leaders, especially if they immediately laid out a clear path to the restoration of democracy.

Nor would Erdogan engender the type of sympathy that Egyptian President Muhammad Morsi did. When Morsi was ousted, his commitment to democracy was still subject to debate.

That debate is now moot when it comes to the Turkish strongman. Neither the Republican nor Democratic front-runners would put U.S. prestige on the line to seek a return to the status quo ante. They might offer lip service against a coup, but they would work with the new regime.

Coup leaders might moot European and American human rights and civil society criticism and that of journalists by immediately freeing all detained journalists and academics and by returning seized newspapers and television stations to their rightful owners.

Turkey’s NATO membership is no deterrent to action: Neither Turkey nor Greece lost their NATO membership after previous coups. Should a new leadership engage sincerely with Turkey’s Kurds, Kurds might come onboard.

Neither European nor American public opinion would likely be sympathetic to the execution of Erdogan, his son and son-in-law, or key aides like Egemen Bağış and Cüneyd Zapsu, although they would accept a trial for corruption and long incarceration.

Erdoğan might hope friends would rally to his side, but most of his friends—both internationally and inside Turkey—are attracted to his power. Once out of his palace, he may find himself very much alone, a shriveled and confused figure like Saddam Hussein at his own trial.

I make no predictions, but given rising discord in Turkey as well as the likelihood that the Turkish military would suffer no significant consequence should it imitate Abdel Fattah el-Sisi’s game plan in Egypt, no one should be surprised if Turkey’s rocky politics soon get rockier.

Michael Rubin is a resident scholar at the American Enterprise Institute. A former Pentagon official, his major research areas are the Middle East, Turkey, Iran and diplomacy.

[Dolan]

Also:
May 30, 2016
Turkey's Next Military Coup
https://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles ... itary-coup

[deleted_user]

so you mean coup is a need?, sounds democratic, tell us more,

[Garja]

Why don't you explain us what''s so good about Erdogan instead? At the moment, according to pretty much any source, he's basically a dictator.

[deleted_user]

Why don't you explain us what''s so good about Erdogan instead? At the moment, according to pretty much any source, he's basically a dictator.

WHO gives a fuck about what zionist media says instead? if you give them fuck why should i make an explanation to you?

[Garja]

So 90% of western media are Zionist?

[deleted_user]

dont ask question that you know the answer already ^^...

[Garja]

So guy sells weapons to ISIS and mines press freedom. But those are just lies by western media.
Ok, bye.

[deleted_user]

so just make up news which is unreal as much as laserbears and feel happy?
stop fingering yourself garja

[lordraphael]

breeze do you realise that you provide no arguments to support your thesis. Usually in an argumentation one side claims sth which the other side ( if one doesnt agree with the thesis ) tries to invalidate by presenting facts of your own which debilitate the other ones arguments.
You however act like this: Side X presents a thesis with an argument.
Side BREEZE:"

you are stupid to understand sry. keep sucking your zionist media. "
"WHO gives a fuck about what zionist media says instead? if you give them fuck why should i make an explanation to you?" "so just make up news which is unreal as much as laserbears and feel happy?"

I can see a pattern in your statements tbh, its usually the side that always brings the same shit on the table that is wrong btw. Think about it.

[deleted_user]

raphael do you realise that you are a person WHO gets angry sick after losing some 1lts and flames hard everywhere, i didnt expect my water win against you made that hard hurt at you tbh.
also i cant see they doing a "real statement" just throwing up their retardness. there is nothing to defend. when everything is clear,

[deleted_user]

Well breeze just watch out, go inside and play some aoe or sth. The community needs your kebab

just noticed your post, thanks though

[deleted_user]

to community ; sory for those my posts though but some posters that has no idea from outside as "keyboard warriors" makes some posts which is totally made up, and just aimed for attack, as now situtation, most things are controlled right now, but it didnt end at all, so we gotta see what gonna happen,
thanks for readin this, - breezebrothers