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Image"War is the continuation of politics by other means."

Discuss.
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"You cannot stop me, I spend thirty-thousand men a month." -Napoleon

If that isn't a diplomatic message, I don't know what is.
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What is there to discuss? He's right.
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ivan wrote:What is there to discuss? He''s right.
So war can only be truly understood by studying politics?
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frycookofdoom wrote:
ivan wrote:What is there to discuss? Hes right.
So war can only be truly understood by studying politics?
sort of. Different political interests ultimately cause war.
But there are many underlying interests/factors to consider. In theory, it shouldnt be that easy to convince hundreds (up to millions) of men your cause is worth dying for.
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ivan wrote:
frycookofdoom wrote:So war can only be truly understood by studying politics?
sort of. Different political interests ultimately cause war.
But there are many underlying interests/factors to consider. In theory, it shouldnt be that easy to convince hundreds (up to millions) of men your cause is worth dying for.
Then theres no difference between politicians and generals. Industrialized mass murder has as much of a right to exist as political campaigning.
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frycookofdoom wrote:
ivan wrote:sort of. Different political interests ultimately cause war.
But there are many underlying interests/factors to consider. In theory, it shouldnt be that easy to convince hundreds (up to millions) of men your cause is worth dying for.
Then theres no difference between politicians and generals.
What.
A politician may decide war is necessary to achieve a certain goal, but that doesnt mean he actually has the skill to command military formations.
Though in the past it wasnt all that uncommon for a king/prince/etc to directly command troops.
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ivan wrote:
frycookofdoom wrote:Then theres no difference between politicians and generals.
What.
A politician may decide war is necessary to achieve a certain goal, but that doesnt mean he actually has the skill to command military formations.
Though in the past it wasnt all that uncommon for a king/prince/etc to directly command troops.

Generals are merely carrying out the job of politicians, albeit by other means. How does this make them distinguishable in any meaningful way from just average politicians? Sure they might have different skill sets, but that doesnt amount to anything in a career where hard skills generally arent required. The fact of the matter is, during times of war, generals serve much the same purpose in society as politicians. This is simply your conclusion taken to its full logical extent.
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And what would that be?
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drlegend wrote:It is really less that war is part of politics and more like politics and war are part of the same thing.
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frycookofdoom wrote:
ivan wrote:What.
A politician may decide war is necessary to achieve a certain goal, but that doesnt mean he actually has the skill to command military formations.
Though in the past it wasnt all that uncommon for a king/prince/etc to directly command troops.

Generals are merely carrying out the job of politicians, albeit by other means. How does this make them distinguishable in any meaningful way from just average politicians? Sure they might have different skill sets, but that doesnt amount to anything in a career where hard skills generally arent required. The fact of the matter is, during times of war, generals serve much the same purpose in society as politicians. This is simply your conclusion taken to its full logical extent.

Your logic is flawed, you are saying B is an extension of A, and therefore B equals A. Or to be more specific, one whose job is A is equal to one whose job is B.
By extension of your logic: Generals carry out the job of politicians. Soldiers carry out the job of generals. Therefore a soldier is a politician.

Politicians have more power, they have to make decisions which should be aimed for societys common good - but are not actually obliged to personally carry them out.
Our society is still in principle hierarchal, meaning people above may carry out actions pertaining the lower ranks, but not vice-versa. For example, a politician may decide to stop the war and carry out both party demands diplomatically - a general may not. A general may allocate a few civil resources and manpower from a small, micro scale under his command, but may not do it in a larger "macro" scale - thats the job of a politician. But yes, it is to note that a general may become a politician and may carry out both jobs - and same principle applies rulers - in the past it wasnt uncommon for kings, princes, etc etc engage in command and even in combat.
But war is still more complex than that.
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Yes of course can a politician just say fuck it and stop the war when it's already going. Generals and politicians also live through the same horror as soldiers (facepalm)
During war most political functions are being canceled to direct the forces into winning the war, or at least make it as costly as possible for your enemy. This doesn't exclude attempted peace agreements / truce.
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