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Cant we just turn back to old esocommunity this design sucks
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Yea it's not as good, still the elo thing doesn't work.
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I don't know what you expect to come out of such a topic.
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I like the site. I even forgot how the old one looked tbh.
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I don't think it sucks at all. I also doubt we can copy-paste the old forums even if we wanted to. I did like the old layout better though.
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MCJim wrote:I like the site. I even forgot how the old one looked tbh.

+1
Guys, the previous hosting provider (Proboards) was like the worst I've heard about, they were a bunch of scumbags literally stealing significant amounts of money from the ESOC team, holding them hostage and shutting down the site multiple times. Moving off was a great decision! The site works just as good as before and is being further improved continually, I don't see a problem.
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EAGLEMUT wrote:
MCJim wrote:I like the site. I even forgot how the old one looked tbh.

+1
Guys, the previous hosting provider (Proboards) was like the worst I've heard about, they were a bunch of scumbags literally stealing significant amounts of money from the ESOC team, holding them hostage and shutting down the site multiple times. Moving off was a great decision! The site works just as good as before and is being further improved continually, I don't see a problem.

Yea it had to be I guess
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I like the new site better. The only difference that I don't like is that instead of recent threads there is unread/your threads which imo is less intuitive but other than that things seem better and are only getting more so. . .
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I liked ye old agecomm the best....
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This site is fine imo
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Actually, the original Age Sanctuary is the forum GOAT.
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purplesquid wrote:I like the new site better. The only difference that I don't like is that instead of recent threads there is unread/your threads which imo is less intuitive but other than that things seem better and are only getting more so. . .

What ? They put a "active threads" panel (= recent threads) after some people complained
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Kaiserklein wrote:
purplesquid wrote:I like the new site better. The only difference that I don't like is that instead of recent threads there is unread/your threads which imo is less intuitive but other than that things seem better and are only getting more so. . .

What ? They put a "active threads" panel (= recent threads) after some people complained

I visit the site on my cell phone most of the tone but that is true. . .
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imperial wrote:this design sucks

Yeah, I agree, this forum has nothing special. It's a standard installation of a phpBB3 forum, with a couple of CSS adjustments here and there to make it look somewhat similar to the old styling of the forum.
They probably also modified some of the PHP templates to accommodate some of the features people asked for (active posts, tourney registration, the chat dropdown, etc).

Other than that, the forum lacks a cohesive concept of what it's supposed to achieve in terms of user experience and interface. Like the top navbar is just floated on the left and the user functions are floated on the right, which makes you travel with the mouse left-right-left to get something done.

I can understand why it looks this way. Probably everyone is busy enough with their own real-life stuff to have time to do more. Then if you look at the number of admins, things are a little crazy: 8 full site admins (!), 3 mods, 2 devs (what do you need 8 site admins for if you have a dev team..), plus the media team. Imagine this team trying to make a decision on changing something on the site. It has to be something like the UN Security Council, where what the US wants to get adopted is opposed by Russia and viceversa.

You know how professional websites are made? Client comes with a concept, the concept is discussed, a structure of the site is agreed on. They send this draft to a designer, the designer makes a quick mockup of how the site should look like (basic wireframing). Client checks the mockup and adds his feedback, so the concept may be modified again or just slightly adjusted. A new draft is agreed on. The designer further develops the mockup into a more full-fledged site design (one or several PSD files with lots of layers to indicate how the site behaves dynamically). Client comes for a follow-up check, the finishing touches are agreed on, the designer incorporates the changes and the client signs for the final concept. Then the PSD files are sent to the dev team as a project, which is usually split between coders/programmers and content/data entry monkeys. The coders slice up the PSD templates into a site structure and send it to the data entry monkeys to fill it in. Then they finish up the dynamic side of the site: forms, transitions, ajax calls, etc. They may also have to integrate with the backend, unless it's pre-made. Then it goes through cross-browser testing, etc.
At no point do they all sit around a table and throw their 2 cents on how the site should look like. It's just not everyone's job, because there already is a guy who is good at that.

Obviously nobody has time for that and nobody gets paid to take this too seriously, so the end-product is what you see.
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Dolan wrote:
imperial wrote:this design sucks

Yeah, I agree, this forum has nothing special. It's a standard installation of a phpBB3 forum, with a couple of CSS adjustments here and there to make it look somewhat similar to the old styling of the forum.
They probably also modified some of the PHP templates to accommodate some of the features people asked for (active posts, tourney registration, the chat dropdown, etc).

Other than that, the forum lacks a cohesive concept of what it's supposed to achieve in terms of user experience and interface. Like the top navbar is just floated on the left and the user functions are floated on the right, which makes you travel with the mouse left-right-left to get something done.

I can understand why it looks this way. Probably everyone is busy enough with their own real-life stuff to have time to do more. Then if you look at the number of admins, things are a little crazy: 8 full site admins (!), 3 mods, 2 devs (what do you need 8 site admins for if you have a dev team..), plus the media team. Imagine this team trying to make a decision on changing something on the site. It has to be something like the UN Security Council, where what the US wants to get adopted is opposed by Russia and viceversa.

You know how professional websites are made? Client comes with a concept, the concept is discussed, a structure of the site is agreed on. They send this draft to a designer, the designer makes a quick mockup of how the site should look like (basic wireframing). Client checks the mockup and adds his feedback, so the concept may be modified again or just slightly adjusted. A new draft is agreed on. The designer further develops the mockup into a more full-fledged site design (one or several PSD files with lots of layers to indicate how the site behaves dynamically). Client comes for a follow-up check, the finishing touches are agreed on, the designer incorporates the changes and the client signs for the final concept. Then the PSD files are sent to the dev team as a project, which is usually split between coders/programmers and content/data entry monkeys. The coders slice up the PSD templates into a site structure and send it to the data entry monkeys to fill it in. Then they finish up the dynamic side of the site: forms, transitions, ajax calls, etc. They may also have to integrate with the backend, unless it's pre-made. Then it goes through cross-browser testing, etc.
At no point do they all sit around a table and throw their 2 cents on how the site should look like. It's just not everyone's job, because there already is a guy who is good at that.

Obviously nobody has time for that and nobody gets paid to take this too seriously, so the end-product is what you see.

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Your requirements are way too high for a community based site imo. Be happy there actually is a site that does work well for AoE3.
AoE3 has never had a site like this where the community has an effect on until now.
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Site is totally fine.
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I think the site works alright for what it's supposed to be. There's no point in comparing it to the old site--this is what we have now and we should work with it. But just because the site is functional and has a couple nice features, doesn't mean it can't be improved! I, for one, think that the news posts take up a lot of room on the site's home page and often sit there for weeks without accomplishing a whole lot. The forums might be more active if perhaps, the news posts were condensed into a side column, and the sub-forums were front and center--with each displaying the most recent topic within that forum. The bar on the right is decent, but some of the threads are locked to all but admins, there aren't any timestamps or post counters to tell you how recent or active a thread is, etc.

But there's no rush to fix anything on this site. Any improvements ought to be treated as side projects by the people who actually have to put in the work to implement them, and should be left to their discretion as well.
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MCJim wrote:Your requirements are way too high for a community based site imo. Be happy there actually is a site that does work well for AoE3.
AoE3 has never had a site like this where the community has an effect on until now.


+1000

This kind of topic is such a shame. Think about how much time people have spent in order to get you this for free. And the title of this topic should be more respectful.
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evilcheadar wrote:Yea it's not as good, still the elo thing doesn't work.

Why dont you make a better one for your basement benders then?
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Method_man714 wrote:
evilcheadar wrote:Yea it's not as good, still the elo thing doesn't work.

Why dont you make a better one for your basement benders then?

Don't know how
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Dolan wrote:
imperial wrote:this design sucks

Yeah, I agree, this forum has nothing special. It's a standard installation of a phpBB3 forum, with a couple of CSS adjustments here and there to make it look somewhat similar to the old styling of the forum.
They probably also modified some of the PHP templates to accommodate some of the features people asked for (active posts, tourney registration, the chat dropdown, etc).

Other than that, the forum lacks a cohesive concept of what it's supposed to achieve in terms of user experience and interface. Like the top navbar is just floated on the left and the user functions are floated on the right, which makes you travel with the mouse left-right-left to get something done.

I can understand why it looks this way. Probably everyone is busy enough with their own real-life stuff to have time to do more. Then if you look at the number of admins, things are a little crazy: 8 full site admins (!), 3 mods, 2 devs (what do you need 8 site admins for if you have a dev team..), plus the media team. Imagine this team trying to make a decision on changing something on the site. It has to be something like the UN Security Council, where what the US wants to get adopted is opposed by Russia and viceversa.

You know how professional websites are made? Client comes with a concept, the concept is discussed, a structure of the site is agreed on. They send this draft to a designer, the designer makes a quick mockup of how the site should look like (basic wireframing). Client checks the mockup and adds his feedback, so the concept may be modified again or just slightly adjusted. A new draft is agreed on. The designer further develops the mockup into a more full-fledged site design (one or several PSD files with lots of layers to indicate how the site behaves dynamically). Client comes for a follow-up check, the finishing touches are agreed on, the designer incorporates the changes and the client signs for the final concept. Then the PSD files are sent to the dev team as a project, which is usually split between coders/programmers and content/data entry monkeys. The coders slice up the PSD templates into a site structure and send it to the data entry monkeys to fill it in. Then they finish up the dynamic side of the site: forms, transitions, ajax calls, etc. They may also have to integrate with the backend, unless it's pre-made. Then it goes through cross-browser testing, etc.
At no point do they all sit around a table and throw their 2 cents on how the site should look like. It's just not everyone's job, because there already is a guy who is good at that.

Obviously nobody has time for that and nobody gets paid to take this too seriously, so the end-product is what you see.


let's calm down here for a second bro

the only client here is the age of empires 3 community. we just need a site to host tournaments, aoe3 discussion and community stuff. everything done here isn't with a professional or business plan behind it. it's a community site which is built from scratch by community members. this site does its intended role perfectly.

we're done with going for big concepts and all the like. We're just here to host aoe3's community. we also have a lot of admins because this is a community run site... no big head honcho which owns or dictates things.
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I just hope DE is not going to implement all of the EP changes. Right now it is a big clusterfuck.
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@incog right Dolan understands that. He's pointing out that we can't do all that due to our situation.

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Specific suggestions are always helpful but "this site sucks" is hard to fix when I don't know what about it sucks.
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I prefer the new site over the old one. The only thing I'm missing is the recent threads button on mobile, or is it there and I just can't find it?
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the alternative is closing it down, because it does cost money ... :)

Everyone is also welcome (encouraged) to help. This is not a professional website that anybody pays to get done and therefore it will never be a professionally and perfectly balanced team with just the right amount of every role (@dolan). People of the different roles also don't do full time work either. Some will travel for a few months, some will work hours everyday for a few weeks then go afk for a few months. That's life for a community built website.

As I was part of the team I was at one point worried that the whole project would go into the grave when we had too few people, and we had big obstacles in the way, but thanks to more people showing up and incredible effort from a lot of people (no names, nobody forgotten) the site is still up and running, and also improving. I'm grateful :)

of course specific feedback is good, it benefits everyone, but please remember the dev team often put a lot of time into things they might not even know how it works - so they also have to study to reach the goal. There's a lot of time put into it, and it is stressful. It also doesn't help when feedback has a very bad attitude (companies can deal with negative-attitude-feedback, but private persons voluntarily doing work might have a harder time dealing with it) - you might risk losing some developers that way instead, and we don't want that right? :)

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