choosing a civ
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choosing a civ
Hello! I'm a newbee and choosing a civ on RE to learn in team games. I need the civ that is playable at all stages and doesn't depend on TPs maps. Which one/ones could you advise me? Think about Dutch but ofc I can't have objective mind yet. Thank you guys in advance!
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Frenchs, they're the best option, they doesn't depend on TPs maps ( Samwise build Musk-Huss is pretty strong on those maps without TPs and even Xbow-Pike rush is really strong), They're a versatile civ, they can explore and adapt fast, they're decent in maps with low food and they have a lot of strategys that you can use, they're pretty useful and strong in team games too!
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pick dutch, they are an easy civ to start with, plus they are OP on the ESOC patch.
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Russia for sure lol, like your build is the same 90% of games with Russia's and there really strong. 5cos 700w 700c boyars or some variation of this. They can water normally get map control against most civs, have good eco good late game opris are nice.
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tedere12 wrote:pick dutch, they are an easy civ to start with, plus they are OP on the ESOC patch.
Easy civ ? xD, They're almost the most countered civ on RE i think , you need as high skills as @momuuu for survive
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"And we hate po-po
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Russia is for sure an easy civ and decent as well
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NekoBerk wrote:tedere12 wrote:pick dutch, they are an easy civ to start with, plus they are OP on the ESOC patch.
Easy civ ? xD, They're almost the most countered civ on RE i think , you need as high skills as @momuuu for survive
I think jerom can confirm what I said
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Re: choosing a civ
I'd French without surprise, I only want to add to what NekoBerk said, that it is probably the best civ if you want to try another civ later (Portugal might too, but they are weak)
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Japan. Learn club rush and all the little variations. They are probably one of the best civs on quicksearch and random games because they are so adaptable and not map-dependent.
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Ports are not weak
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Dutch is easy in the sense that their BOs don't usually deviate much, also the units you usually want to train are hus, skirm and ruyter for the most part, which don't require many macro skills to pull off. The hard part is actually winning games on RE
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tedere12 wrote:NekoBerk wrote:tedere12 wrote:pick dutch, they are an easy civ to start with, plus they are OP on the ESOC patch.
Easy civ ? xD, They're almost the most countered civ on RE i think , you need as high skills as @momuuu for survive
I think jerom can confirm what I said
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macacoalbino wrote:Dutch is easy in the sense that their BOs don't usually deviate much, also the units you usually want to train are hus, skirm and ruyter for the most part, which don't require many macro skills to pull off. The hard part is actually winning games on RE
I strongly disagree that dutch build orders don't deviate much.
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Don't play dutch. They arent that easy and have a swath of bad matchups. Something like Japan, India or germany is probably a better choice, as they are very strong and very adaptable.
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Not as much as a civ like brit or india for example. You'll always be building a transition bank and making the same units, almost always aiming to get to the fortress age...
Its not as simple as Ottos or old Sioux but still...
Its not as simple as Ottos or old Sioux but still...
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macacoalbino wrote:Not as much as a civ like brit or india for example. You'll always be building a transition bank and making the same units, almost always aiming to get to the fortress age...
Its not as simple as Ottos or old Sioux but still...
I think if you try to get better at dutch you'll realize how incorrect this statement is in practise.
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and if you would be watching Jeroms streams you would witness that he does the same build order in every MU especially on every map!Jerom wrote:macacoalbino wrote:Not as much as a civ like brit or india for example. You'll always be building a transition bank and making the same units, almost always aiming to get to the fortress age...
Its not as simple as Ottos or old Sioux but still...
I think if you try to get better at dutch you'll realize how incorrect this statement is in practise.
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Jerom wrote:macacoalbino wrote:Not as much as a civ like brit or india for example. You'll always be building a transition bank and making the same units, almost always aiming to get to the fortress age...
Its not as simple as Ottos or old Sioux but still...
I think if you try to get better at dutch you'll realize how incorrect this statement is in practise.
Well the fact that there will never be variation in a viable Dutch build before colonial age, you always 15v, always house on 100w or 200w (I guess sometimes tp on 200w or market but let's be real 99% of Dutch games is just a house) you always make a bank in transition. So the fact that adaptation comes with what you decide to do with 400w makes the civ easy to learn yes lol. And with 400w you only have two viable options anyways, military building and houses or another bank. Then you 700w or bank depending on what you did with 400w. So you don't always have to insist on being right lol Dutch build orders are fairly easy to learn. Also not to mention in no matchup as Dutch do you stay in age 2 and end up winning in the long term unless your opppoent misplays. So In all mu's your goal is to eventually age which isn't the case for basically any other civ that I can think of atm decides china & spain. Being easy to learn doesn't mean there strong but it seems your just being defensive about Dutch being hard to learn is an ego thing. Sending 8 pikes or adding skrim in age 2 is about the extent of there adaptations.
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Yeah, that's exactly what I mean. Thanks @__Uhlan__
Dutch BOs are quite easy, the hard part is to actually win a game since every MU seems like an uphill battle
Dutch BOs are quite easy, the hard part is to actually win a game since every MU seems like an uphill battle
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inb4 jerom talks about how that isn't correct and about how all top players agree with his assessment
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I honestly just cant agree much with that post. Yes the start is just auto pilot but by the time you're pr20 the age 1 variations should mostly be auto pilot. I personally think the type of build you choose to do afterwards is most influential and I do believe that playing dutch punishes you a lot for doing an incorrect build order.
If you want to have a shot against france, you need to scout and adapt into 4 different build orders for the roughly four different strats that france can use against you with at least some viability. For example if france does xbow pike you wont win doing a standard hussar semi ff I think. Other civs need a much smaller amount of adaptation in my eyes. As EP ports for example you can basically do the same bo every game and not be punished for it that much. Or france can get pretty far with just hussar semi ff with no deviations. Or india doing just one build or russia doing just one build. Theres many civs out there that arent nearly as punishing towards poor build order choices as Dutch is.
If you want to have a shot against france, you need to scout and adapt into 4 different build orders for the roughly four different strats that france can use against you with at least some viability. For example if france does xbow pike you wont win doing a standard hussar semi ff I think. Other civs need a much smaller amount of adaptation in my eyes. As EP ports for example you can basically do the same bo every game and not be punished for it that much. Or france can get pretty far with just hussar semi ff with no deviations. Or india doing just one build or russia doing just one build. Theres many civs out there that arent nearly as punishing towards poor build order choices as Dutch is.
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Re: choosing a civ
macacoalbino wrote:Yeah, that's exactly what I mean. Thanks @__Uhlan__
Dutch BOs are quite easy, the hard part is to actually win a game since every MU seems like an uphill battle
every bo is easy. THe whole game is easy.
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Btw if I were to name a build that requires solid macro its a quick three bank boom as dutch. I see so many people try that build but just not succeed. Theres quite a few of those builds, consulate rush for example, but theres many civs that have really easy builds.
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lordraphael wrote:macacoalbino wrote:Yeah, that's exactly what I mean. Thanks @__Uhlan__
Dutch BOs are quite easy, the hard part is to actually win a game since every MU seems like an uphill battle
every bo is easy. THe whole game is easy.
not as easy as sc2.
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or the witcher 3umeu wrote:lordraphael wrote:macacoalbino wrote:Yeah, that's exactly what I mean. Thanks @__Uhlan__
Dutch BOs are quite easy, the hard part is to actually win a game since every MU seems like an uphill battle
every bo is easy. THe whole game is easy.
not as easy as sc2.
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