Germantown Farmers card?

[GonzoPunchi]

Hey guys,

so I was told that the Germantown Farmers card sucks but after giving it some thought I gotta say it can't be that bad. In the fortress age i always try to out resource my opponent but 600 wood for a TC so I can have double vil production is too expensive I think. If you use this card and you don't have any more hunts or hunts that are too far away, coudn't this be a good card then? It's even better than double vil production cause of settler wagons, right?

I guess it's kind of a niche but in team games maybe? or FFAs that always last long.

Thank you in advance.

Greetings Julius

[_NiceKING_]

FFA, TR, DM.

[pecelot]

You have too many good cards in age 3 in supremacy without treaty (1v1s, team) and you can't afford sacrificing that much population space — your army is quite pop-heavy (15-XP uhlans take 2 pop, WWs take 3). If you feel like booming, just build 2 additional TCs.

[Darwin_]

I have it in my 3v3 and 2v2 siberia decks for supremacy.

[site]

It works well in team games but outside of that you should be shipping uhlan and merc in a 1v1 and auto winning.

[gibson]

I dont think it's good in most team games cause it's a massive investment that takes a long time to pay off

[aligator92]

On top of the things already mentioned, I can tell you that you will hardly ever make any mills. You have to get out on the map to secure mines, so you will always have enough hunts. also your units are not food heavy
EDIT: I am talking about 1v1 Supremacy

[howlingwolfpaw]

for FFA you will def want to be making them. i only came across one player that would save him all the cards for SW and boom off 99 vils like all other civs. It seemed to work out ok for his skill range. But at high levels in long games you want a more boomy deck.

[pecelot]

In long games it's obviously worth it, even if you delete vills later on, as with the HC upgrade SW are 135% better than regular settlers.

[GonzoPunchi]

HC upgrades?

[_NiceKING_]

HC upgrades?

Guild Artisans card

[gibson]

Why would anyone ever have guild artisans in a sup deck?

[_NiceKING_]

with the HC upgrade SW are 135% better than regular settlers.

The card increases SW gather rate by 35% yes, but it takes SW's gather rate as a base rate, so its smth like 2*1.35= 2.7 -> 170% (sw gather 170% faster than a vill)

[GonzoPunchi]

Another question concerning Germany. What do you think of the church card? Could that make the Doppel card that boosts stats but decreases speed viable?

[AOEisLOVE_AOEisLIFE]

with the HC upgrade SW are 135% better than regular settlers.

The card increases SW gather rate by 35% yes, but it takes SW's gather rate as a base rate, so its smth like 2*1.35= 2.7 -> 170%

cool i didnt know that.

Another question concerning Germany. What do you think of the church card? Could that make the Doppel card that boosts stats but decreases speed viable?

its kinda weird to increase the speed then decrease it again, it certainly makes that doppel upgrade card less bad, i dont play treaty so i dont know too much about it. in sup however you can use the church card for a (expensive) pop, if sb is sieging your tc / tower / fort its legit to pop out on sieging units.

[_NiceKING_]

Another question concerning Germany. What do you think of the church card? Could that make the Doppel card that boosts stats but decreases speed viable?

Are you talking about Tilly's Discipline? It's +20% speed, +10% cost, not worth it

[GonzoPunchi]

Yeah i mean that one. But my thought was that this combined with the card that buffs HP and Dmg by 50% but decreases speed by 33% could be ok.

[_NiceKING_]

You could play on Andes and take Inca's upgrade for the speed (Infantry move 20% faster. Cost: 300 Food, 300 Coin )

[GonzoPunchi]

It's just that I recently started playing Germany but it seems to me that they have no unique good unit you wanna spam (Dutch:Ruyter; Ports:Goons; French:Gendarmes). And without goons they just seem kinda underwhelming to me.

[AOEisLOVE_AOEisLIFE]

Another question concerning Germany. What do you think of the church card? Could that make the Doppel card that boosts stats but decreases speed viable?

Are you talking about Tilly's Discipline? It's +20% speed, +10% cost, not worth it

i think his idea was like: get dis, get +20% speed +10% cost, then get the upgrade card and get -33% speed and +50% HP and ATTACK, so overall you would get +10% cost, +50% ATTACK and HP, -13% speed or sth like that (still doesnt sound like an epic deal)

It's just that I recently started playing Germany but it seems to me that they have no unique good unit you wanna spam (Dutch:Ruyter; Ports:Goons; French:Gendarmes). And without goons they just seem kinda underwhelming to me.

they are very solid in SUP, and i think they are good in treaty too (idk, dont play..), one-unit-spam type of gameplay only works up to a certain PR level in SUP, above that you will always loose with that. (guess thats different in treaty where you can spam cuirs and win..)

i mainly play 1v1 and i can tell you germany is very decent (H20: the civ he likes playing the least against..).

Are Uhlans even better than Hussars?

in RE patch for their price they are.

[GonzoPunchi]

Are Uhlans even better than Hussars?

[lemmings121]

with the HC upgrade SW are 135% better than regular settlers.

The card increases SW gather rate by 35% yes, but it takes SW's gather rate as a base rate, so its smth like 2*1.35= 2.7 -> 170%

thats not how math works o.O

1 sw = 2vill
1sw * 1,35 = 2vill * 1,35
1,35 sw = 2,7 vill

you are only gathering 170% more then a standard vill, but you must compare with a sw.

tldr, 35% upgrade for sw is still 35%.

[pecelot]

Are Uhlans even better than Hussars?

In treaty — definitely not.

[_NiceKING_]

with the HC upgrade SW are 135% better than regular settlers.

The card increases SW gather rate by 35% yes, but it takes SW's gather rate as a base rate, so its smth like 2*1.35= 2.7 -> 170%

thats not how math works o.O

1 sw = 2vill
1sw * 1,35 = 2vill * 1,35
1,35 sw = 2,7 vill

you are only gathering 170% more then a standard vill, but you must compare with a sw.

tldr, 35% upgrade for sw is still 35%.

Isn't it what I said? Pecelot said SW gather 135% faster than regular settler, I said it's actually 170%..

[britishmusketeer]

The card increases SW gather rate by 35% yes, but it takes SW's gather rate as a base rate, so its smth like 2*1.35= 2.7 -> 170%

thats not how math works o.O

1 sw = 2vill
1sw * 1,35 = 2vill * 1,35
1,35 sw = 2,7 vill

you are only gathering 170% more then a standard vill, but you must compare with a sw.

tldr, 35% upgrade for sw is still 35%.

Isn't it what I said? Pecelot said SW gather 135% faster than regular settler, I said it's actually 170%..

Point is that they gather 35% faster than vills per pop and cost.