Japan age 3 - Yumi/nagi vs Yumi/ashi

[Darwin_]

Title says it all. In what situations are these two compositions the best?

[gibson]

Alot of time you want nagi ashi imo, vs civs like german and china that go cav heavy.

[forgrin]

Huss/other generic cav > nagi/inf multiplier cav per cost, so you'll need to at least mix ashi to not get rolled by pure cav. Yumi are too good to pass up completely though I'd think, especially to beat goon.

tl;dr: 3 unit comp > 2 unit comp

[Zhanson10]

Huss/other generic cav > nagi/inf multiplier cav per cost, so you'll need to at least mix ashi to not get rolled by pure cav. Yumi are too good to pass up completely though I'd think, especially to beat goon.

tl;dr: 3 unit comp > 2 unit comp

TLDR is RIGHT. No WAY i'm gonna read all that

[forgrin]

Huss/other generic cav > nagi/inf multiplier cav per cost, so you'll need to at least mix ashi to not get rolled by pure cav. Yumi are too good to pass up completely though I'd think, especially to beat goon.

tl;dr: 3 unit comp > 2 unit comp

TLDR is RIGHT. No WAY i'm gonna read all that

Some people are really against large amounts of text, or so I hear.

[Googol]

Nagi hp + yumi gg no re.

[Googol]

You can also adjust your wonder for melee if your opponent has cav composited army imo but yeah mix some few ashi just in case.

[Kaiserklein]

nagi yumi + clubs from the consulate is, I think, what you ultimately would like to reach, in a lot of match ups. Simply because ashis are not especially good, while yumis and nagis are. Nagis are really strong and they also have that 30% hp card in age 3. Then the clubs are just here in case your opponent brings a ton of cav.
But this is mostly vs an age 3 civ who will bring some skirm goon cav composition

[forgrin]

Can we all just sit and think for a minute about how friggin broken 30% cav HP card is

[deleted_user0]

Not much more broken than cav combat. Its probably slightly better

[Hazza54321]

yumi ashi flaming arrow early age 3, add nagi later + clubs later

[glorious_]

yumi ashi flaming arrow early age 3, add nagi later + clubs later

hazza god.

[Darwin_]

nagi yumi + clubs from the consulate is, I think, what you ultimately would like to reach, in a lot of match ups. Simply because ashis are not especially good, while yumis and nagis are. Nagis are really strong and they also have that 30% hp card in age 3. Then the clubs are just here in case your opponent brings a ton of cav.
But this is mostly vs an age 3 civ who will bring some skirm goon cav composition

Yeah thats what I have mostly been doing lately. The way of the bow nerf has been pretty huge it seems, and clubs haven't seemed like enough. If I went full yumi/ashi/nagi, should I train fewer nagi or fewer yumi to get the resources I need for the ashi?

But to everyone, what matchups should I generally start yumi/ashi, which yumi/nagi, and which ashi/nagi?

[Hazza54321]

Ashi flaming arrow in most mus vs china german add nagi , vs france port go mostly yumi after the initially ashi arrow

[Darwin_]

Ashi flaming arrow in most mus vs china german add nagi , vs france port go mostly yumi after the initially ashi arrow

What if they start with a lot of goons? That was the situation that piqued my interest and caused me to create this thread.

[Kaiserklein]

Tbh the 2 flaming arrows shipment is interesting only against 2 falcs shipment civs, otherwise its a bad shipment

[__Uhlan__]

Ashi flaming arrow in most mus vs china german add nagi , vs france port go mostly yumi after the initially ashi arrow

What if they start with a lot of goons? That was the situation that piqued my interest and caused me to create this thread.

It's a rts game, need to scout and adapt, can't always follow builds or the best thing to do becuase every game is different. You may know what to do in 90% of the time which is Ashi/arrow, but if he is going full goon of course add yumi, just got to scout what he is making and adapt :)

[Hazza54321]

Ashi flaming arrow in most mus vs china german add nagi , vs france port go mostly yumi after the initially ashi arrow

What if they start with a lot of goons? That was the situation that piqued my interest and caused me to create this thread.

No one goes goon vs jap, they train inf in transition and age with 6 yumi, pls if they make goons they have less cuirs and skirms which are needed to kill ashi flaming arrow (with some yumi)

[Hazza54321]

Tbh the 2 flaming arrows shipment is interesting only against 2 falcs shipment civs, otherwise its a bad shipment

The range is nice, forces the opponent to come to you or make a culv

[Kaiserklein]

Flaming arrows have really shit dps compared to falcs, and slightly lower hp as well. And 2 extra range doesn't really matter when it's not a cannons fight. And you ship 2 of them, just like you would ship 2 falcs...

[Zhanson10]

Japan broken pls nerf

[milku3459]

someone explain to me why the Japen mirror meta is full yumi.
I mean, why wouldn't you just laugh and mix nagi

[KINGofOsmane]

Japan broken pls nerf

XD

[Zhanson10]

someone explain to me why the Japen mirror meta is full yumi.
I mean, why wouldn't you just laugh and mix nagi

No because the nets is pure Ashi. Ashi outrun yumi and also benefit most from golden pavilion. Also they siege shrines better

[pecelot]

Flaming arrows have really shit dps compared to falcs, and slightly lower hp as well. And 2 extra range doesn't really matter when it's not a cannons fight. And you ship 2 of them, just like you would ship 2 falcs...

I'd say it's still pretty significant