Japan age 3 - Yumi/nagi vs Yumi/ashi
Japan age 3 - Yumi/nagi vs Yumi/ashi
Title says it all. In what situations are these two compositions the best?
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Re: Japan age 3 - Yumi/nagi vs Yumi/ashi
Alot of time you want nagi ashi imo, vs civs like german and china that go cav heavy.
Re: Japan age 3 - Yumi/nagi vs Yumi/ashi
Huss/other generic cav > nagi/inf multiplier cav per cost, so you'll need to at least mix ashi to not get rolled by pure cav. Yumi are too good to pass up completely though I'd think, especially to beat goon.
tl;dr: 3 unit comp > 2 unit comp
tl;dr: 3 unit comp > 2 unit comp
Re: Japan age 3 - Yumi/nagi vs Yumi/ashi
forgrin wrote:Huss/other generic cav > nagi/inf multiplier cav per cost, so you'll need to at least mix ashi to not get rolled by pure cav. Yumi are too good to pass up completely though I'd think, especially to beat goon.
tl;dr: 3 unit comp > 2 unit comp
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Re: Japan age 3 - Yumi/nagi vs Yumi/ashi
Zhanson10 wrote:forgrin wrote:Huss/other generic cav > nagi/inf multiplier cav per cost, so you'll need to at least mix ashi to not get rolled by pure cav. Yumi are too good to pass up completely though I'd think, especially to beat goon.
tl;dr: 3 unit comp > 2 unit comp
TLDR is RIGHT. No WAY i'm gonna read all that
Some people are really against large amounts of text, or so I hear.
Re: Japan age 3 - Yumi/nagi vs Yumi/ashi
Nagi hp + yumi gg no re.
Re: Japan age 3 - Yumi/nagi vs Yumi/ashi
You can also adjust your wonder for melee if your opponent has cav composited army imo but yeah mix some few ashi just in case.
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Re: Japan age 3 - Yumi/nagi vs Yumi/ashi
nagi yumi + clubs from the consulate is, I think, what you ultimately would like to reach, in a lot of match ups. Simply because ashis are not especially good, while yumis and nagis are. Nagis are really strong and they also have that 30% hp card in age 3. Then the clubs are just here in case your opponent brings a ton of cav.
But this is mostly vs an age 3 civ who will bring some skirm goon cav composition
But this is mostly vs an age 3 civ who will bring some skirm goon cav composition
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Re: Japan age 3 - Yumi/nagi vs Yumi/ashi
Can we all just sit and think for a minute about how friggin broken 30% cav HP card is
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Re: Japan age 3 - Yumi/nagi vs Yumi/ashi
Not much more broken than cav combat. Its probably slightly better
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Re: Japan age 3 - Yumi/nagi vs Yumi/ashi
yumi ashi flaming arrow early age 3, add nagi later + clubs later
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Hazza54321 wrote:yumi ashi flaming arrow early age 3, add nagi later + clubs later
hazza god.
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Kaiserklein wrote:nagi yumi + clubs from the consulate is, I think, what you ultimately would like to reach, in a lot of match ups. Simply because ashis are not especially good, while yumis and nagis are. Nagis are really strong and they also have that 30% hp card in age 3. Then the clubs are just here in case your opponent brings a ton of cav.
But this is mostly vs an age 3 civ who will bring some skirm goon cav composition
Yeah thats what I have mostly been doing lately. The way of the bow nerf has been pretty huge it seems, and clubs haven't seemed like enough. If I went full yumi/ashi/nagi, should I train fewer nagi or fewer yumi to get the resources I need for the ashi?
But to everyone, what matchups should I generally start yumi/ashi, which yumi/nagi, and which ashi/nagi?
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Re: Japan age 3 - Yumi/nagi vs Yumi/ashi
Ashi flaming arrow in most mus vs china german add nagi , vs france port go mostly yumi after the initially ashi arrow
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Hazza54321 wrote:Ashi flaming arrow in most mus vs china german add nagi , vs france port go mostly yumi after the initially ashi arrow
What if they start with a lot of goons? That was the situation that piqued my interest and caused me to create this thread.
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Re: Japan age 3 - Yumi/nagi vs Yumi/ashi
Tbh the 2 flaming arrows shipment is interesting only against 2 falcs shipment civs, otherwise its a bad shipment
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Darwin_ wrote:Hazza54321 wrote:Ashi flaming arrow in most mus vs china german add nagi , vs france port go mostly yumi after the initially ashi arrow
What if they start with a lot of goons? That was the situation that piqued my interest and caused me to create this thread.
It's a rts game, need to scout and adapt, can't always follow builds or the best thing to do becuase every game is different. You may know what to do in 90% of the time which is Ashi/arrow, but if he is going full goon of course add yumi, just got to scout what he is making and adapt :)
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Re: Japan age 3 - Yumi/nagi vs Yumi/ashi
Darwin_ wrote:Hazza54321 wrote:Ashi flaming arrow in most mus vs china german add nagi , vs france port go mostly yumi after the initially ashi arrow
What if they start with a lot of goons? That was the situation that piqued my interest and caused me to create this thread.
No one goes goon vs jap, they train inf in transition and age with 6 yumi, pls if they make goons they have less cuirs and skirms which are needed to kill ashi flaming arrow (with some yumi)
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Re: Japan age 3 - Yumi/nagi vs Yumi/ashi
Kaiserklein wrote:Tbh the 2 flaming arrows shipment is interesting only against 2 falcs shipment civs, otherwise its a bad shipment
The range is nice, forces the opponent to come to you or make a culv
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Re: Japan age 3 - Yumi/nagi vs Yumi/ashi
Flaming arrows have really shit dps compared to falcs, and slightly lower hp as well. And 2 extra range doesn't really matter when it's not a cannons fight. And you ship 2 of them, just like you would ship 2 falcs...
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Re: Japan age 3 - Yumi/nagi vs Yumi/ashi
Japan broken pls nerf
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Re: Japan age 3 - Yumi/nagi vs Yumi/ashi
someone explain to me why the Japen mirror meta is full yumi.
I mean, why wouldn't you just laugh and mix nagi
I mean, why wouldn't you just laugh and mix nagi
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Zhanson10 wrote:Japan broken pls nerf
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Re: Japan age 3 - Yumi/nagi vs Yumi/ashi
milku3459 wrote:someone explain to me why the Japen mirror meta is full yumi.
I mean, why wouldn't you just laugh and mix nagi
No because the nets is pure Ashi. Ashi outrun yumi and also benefit most from golden pavilion. Also they siege shrines better
Re: Japan age 3 - Yumi/nagi vs Yumi/ashi
Kaiserklein wrote:Flaming arrows have really shit dps compared to falcs, and slightly lower hp as well. And 2 extra range doesn't really matter when it's not a cannons fight. And you ship 2 of them, just like you would ship 2 falcs...
I'd say it's still pretty significant
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