India Wood Trickle

[born2believe]

Is Indian wood trickle actually better then 3 vills, since India gets a free villager with it?

[gibson]

possibly yesh or no. It depends on the way you look at it.

[Gendarme]

India already has the market upgrades for wood researched by default, though, so the trickle isn't as beneficial as it would seem. However, India does not usually build a house before starting the Agra fort (at which point they are at max population), so the fact that the trickle doesn't take any population is probably a significant bonus.

[lemmings121]

India already has the market upgrades for wood researched by default, though, so the trickle isn't as beneficial as it would seem. However, India does not usually build a house before starting the Agra fort (at which point they are at max population), so the fact that the trickle doesn't take any population is probably a significant bonus.

india isnt only 10/10 :(

[tedere12]

ikr you can 9/10 and be OP

[pecelot]

@WickedCossack

[Hazza54321]

well they get a free vill with every shipment which is their civ bonus so i wouldnt count that as part of the shipment, similar with 2 uhlans per german shipment

[howlingwolfpaw]

right hazza, because you could compare any other card they have that they might use instead that will still give them a vill.

Me personally love the tickles and find them integral to my booming/ fighting.

[gibson]

well they get a free vill with every shipment which is their civ bonus so i wouldnt count that as part of the shipment, similar with 2 uhlans per german shipment

exactly you need to look at the net gain. You get a vil with every shipment but infinite wood shipments which you never sent anyway so it's not really useful including the vil

[born2believe]

well they get a free vill with every shipment which is their civ bonus so i wouldnt count that as part of the shipment, similar with 2 uhlans per german shipment

Well, I guess that is true. But what I was wondering if its actually better in pure value. For example if you could sent either the trickle(+1 vill) or 3 vills, what whould you send? And if I am correct the German shipments actually take more XP (or do Germans generate XP slower), whilst Indian shipments cost the same?

[Darwin_]

Maths wise, with the free vill the trickle is slightly less than 3 indian villagers (india automatically starts with tier 1 and 2 wood cutting ups). If 300w came with a villager, I would personally ship it over the trickle most of the time.

[howlingwolfpaw]

start gather (.5W perSec) plus techs (15%) is a start indian Gather rate of .575

the trickle is 1.25? or 2 standard vils. So the shipment is worth 3 vills, but will not count towards population and is unraidable. Down side is does not get enhancements like vills do.

[britishmusketeer]

well they get a free vill with every shipment which is their civ bonus so i wouldnt count that as part of the shipment, similar with 2 uhlans per german shipment

Well, I guess that is true. But what I was wondering if its actually better in pure value. For example if you could sent either the trickle(+1 vill) or 3 vills, what whould you send? And if I am correct the German shipments actually take more XP (or do Germans generate XP slower), whilst Indian shipments cost the same?

In terms of pure value, trickle + 1 vill is better than 3v (With imperial bureaucracy 3 vill>trickle+1 vill however you wouldn't have that when the shipment arrives and trickles have other advantages). Both german and indian shipments require more xp.

[born2believe]

Interesting. Tnx everyone.

[Coyote]

Trickle is 2.5vills iirc.
But what people often forget is that since you start with both wood upgrades it's actually less than 2vills!
And ofc 3v>2v (you can't take the civ bonus into account for what was said above).
So yea, it'd be a lot better if you had a 3+1vills shipment.

[deleted_user0]

so many bright lights in this thread.

[gibson]

so many bright lights in this thread.

I'm a special light bulb

[Aizamk]

I find the "India shipments are bad value" statement to be incorrect. You lose out on approximately 100 res per shipment in exchange for a unit that costs 100 wood. For 10% more xp required per shipment, that's a great deal. Considering most other villager shipments (5v,4v,8v,7v) are below the standard per age resource wise, there's no reason to call 5 sepoy+1vill "bad" unless you're one of those people who send the extra vill into battle. 100% on purpose of course. Also, distributivism only becomes less than 2vills once you have both the 5 10 % all-resource market upgrades, as the automatic base wood upgrades only total 15%. Also it's still better after that upgrade because they are constantly gathering in spite of raids. You only lose out on the flexibility to switch to a different resource, but this is a non-issue because India always needs wood anyway for vills, rajputs etc.

[milku3459]

Rajputs mmhm

[born2believe]

I dont think i have ever trained a rajput.

[pecelot]

You're born to believe!

[Aizamk]

Also just checked my notes (had to incorporate this kind of info into the UI), India's shipments cost 8% more XP, not 10% more; 10% more is Germany. Inflation per shipment sent is approximately 15%, up until a cap of 2500xp per shipment.

[Mace]

Hum, so are their shipments even better? Lol
Honestly they're not that good: 5sepoys, 600c, 600w, you need the vill if you want to match the european shipments but you also have a 8% malus which is huge.

[born2believe]

Well if an age 2 shipment is worth 700 resources, 8% of that is 56. So your vill only needs to gather 56 resources for the shipment to be better (600wood+1vill=700wood).

[Gendarme]

...which takes a rather long time.