300W for TP versus saving shipment
300W for TP versus saving shipment
I'm thinking of Russia and Portuguese here.
Yes, I realize that Russia has the wood trickle.
I'm curious as to hear people's thoughts about which is better.
Yes, I realize that Russia has the wood trickle.
I'm curious as to hear people's thoughts about which is better.
300W for TP versus saving shipment
As porto (land) I send 100% 300wood. TP's are just so good.
Even against rush it works. No iro/otto included, but it should do fine. I lose this MU anyway, so I don't really know
The point with russia was already discussed somewhere here.
Even against rush it works. No iro/otto included, but it should do fine. I lose this MU anyway, so I don't really know
The point with russia was already discussed somewhere here.
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With porto it is worth, as russia I don't know...
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I would never send it as russia
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Goodspeed says in his guide to send it as Russia, but he didn't explain the math there, so idk...
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He builds one or two TPs with this wood, so it is better for a timing, but trickle is better at 8-9+ mins.macacoalbino wrote:Goodspeed says in his guide to send it as Russia, but he didn''t explain the math there, so idk...
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Just skip shipment for timed push. Take TP with 400w, do houses/rest of shit with 700w.diarouga wrote:He builds one or two TPs with this wood, so it is better for a timing, but trickle is better at 8-9+ mins.macacoalbino wrote:Goodspeed says in his guide to send it as Russia, but he didnt explain the math there, so idk...
300W for TP versus saving shipment
With russia you can just get a TP form 400w, the trickle will gather 300w by 6:30.
For port I never send it, you can just gather for a TP and use that shipment to have mamelukes 1 shipment earlier.
For port I never send it, you can just gather for a TP and use that shipment to have mamelukes 1 shipment earlier.
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diarouga wrote:With porto it is worth, as russia I don''t know...
Actually not. It totally d?pends on the route. If 300w means u can get 2 defendaple tps then its worth it. So basically only with 200w start. Otherwise saving a shipment will have more effect, because if u have only 1 tp which might be vulnerable on top, its not gonna pay off fast enough. If you save a shipment it means you can send a 700 res card or 600 one instead which means you are ahead over the player who sent 300w. Ports should semi anyway and they can easily get 200w in trans for that single tp andhave about the same amount of xp income but with like 75% shipment more
Unless you gain control oc the route with 300w its just sending a shipment to gain a shipment later, and thus its not worth it.
300W for TP versus saving shipment
It's sending a shipment to gain multiple shipments later... plus 100w
Anyway I think the earlier thread contains most of the arguments.
Anyway I think the earlier thread contains most of the arguments.
300W for TP versus saving shipment
In a way it also means you get less shipments later because the shipments get more expensive though. It''s something that maybe should be taken into the equation.calmyourtits wrote:It''s sending a shipment to gain multiple shipments later... plus 100w
Anyway I think the earlier thread contains most of the arguments.
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calmyourtits wrote:It''s sending a shipment to gain multiple shipments later... plus 100w
Anyway I think the earlier thread contains most of the arguments.
Yes, but youre not actually gaining multiple if a) you only stay at 1 tp which means that the gain of a card early is offset by the loss of a card, which puts the actual gain of a card around 9 minutes, and thats only if the other player doesnt get a tp of his own but mirrors what you do otherwise.
B) if you can''t protect your tps and lose it early
C) your opponent gathers for the tp and gets it 1 min later. In early colo he will actually be a shipment ahead, and the shipment value of those hes sending, are double yours.
300W for TP versus saving shipment
i always saved shipment with port. They age pretty fast to age 2 anyway, i could be wrong about it though as i usually like to fish with port if i play them
300W for TP versus saving shipment
The only way youre not gaining multiple shipments is if the TP is killed and yes you gain an entire shipment by 9 min but before that youre already getting shipments faster than you would if you sent trickle. And this gain is not relative to your opponent, its relative to what you would otherwise have if you didnt build the TP? How is the opposing player relevant in any of this? Also +100w, why is everyone ignoring that?umeu wrote:Yes, but youre not actually gaining multiple if a) you only stay at 1 tp which means that the gain of a card early is offset by the loss of a card, which puts the actual gain of a card around 9 minutes, and thats only if the other player doesnt get a tp of his own but mirrors what you do otherwise.calmyourtits wrote:Its sending a shipment to gain multiple shipments later... plus 100w
Anyway I think the earlier thread contains most of the arguments.
B) if you cant protect your tps and lose it early
C) your opponent gathers for the tp and gets it 1 min later. In early colo he will actually be a shipment ahead, and the shipment value of those hes sending, are double yours.
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Well im talking about mirror ports, if i didnt make it clear, so the other guy is symbolizing what happens if u didnt build it with 300w. Yea its 100w and at 5 min u have as many shipments as when u saved a shipment and didnt make a tp + 100w, so basically u sent 100w. If u save a shipment though and do make a tp u gonna ne ahead because instead of a 100 res shipment ur snding a 700 one
300W for TP versus saving shipment
The transition TP is an investment you can choose to make either way. It's a lot easier to do if you sent 300w too, because you're already at 100w towards your second TP.
The only way your argument is valid is if you would lose the second TP in early colonial because it's exposed, in which case I would often prefer to not chop 200w for a TP and spend resources to defend map control instead. Saving the shipment and chopping 200w sounds ok in theory but realistically it's rarely superior to 300w for 2 TPs or 300w for 1 TP and more units early colonial.
The only way your argument is valid is if you would lose the second TP in early colonial because it's exposed, in which case I would often prefer to not chop 200w for a TP and spend resources to defend map control instead. Saving the shipment and chopping 200w sounds ok in theory but realistically it's rarely superior to 300w for 2 TPs or 300w for 1 TP and more units early colonial.
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The +100W is like a free house or a free market which you don't have to chop either. In terms of VS it's quite good indeed.
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umeu wrote: Yea its 100w and at 5 min u have as many shipments as when u saved a shipment and didnt make a tp + 100w
Wait, you mean same ammount of colonial shipments at 5? Or total shipments? I''m just trying to figure this out. because it appear as if there are some situations where sending the card would be worth it (no pressure in colonial) and some that it''s not (when you risk losing tp early due to pressure)
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Your total shipment count is 1 more. Your actual shipments available will be the same because you spent your extra shipment.
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Then I think it's a good thing for a timing against semi-FF as Russia, right? At that point you have same shipments+100w roughly and next ones, even though they need more XP to come, will arrive faster because you have an extra tp
300W for TP versus saving shipment
I dunno about Russia, but when I play Ports (which is alot), I send 300w if I eco semi or and save the shipment if I'm playing FF. Obviously I send schooners instead if it's a water map with good fish.
300W for TP versus saving shipment
What's with ATP?
I do send it acctually quite often as porto
With Russia idk
I do send it acctually quite often as porto
With Russia idk
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turtle russia 17 vills age up send 300 wood get tp extra ship get trickle
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Sounds terrible
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