Scout rush!!!

[macacoalbino]

The guy who did it vs me did from native embassy, but i think it only works if he has a nat tp, cause he took 1 everygame... I think sieging it down before he can spam the scouts is something to do

[pecelot]

That's indeed the case: you can train Native Scouts from your Native Embassy after sending the Advanced Scouts shipment, but naturally you have to construct a native Trading Post first to be able to build the Embassy.

I'm not too sure about rushing in the Colonial Age. The way I would do it in in FFA games was to quickly advance to the Fortress Age to send important cards, like 1000 wood, Native Warriors — –15% cost — and Black Arrow, providing you with –85% train time, decreasing the Native Scouts' train time to just 3 seconds. Then I would lay down 3 Native Embassies and spam them forever, without blocking my TC. It's obviously delayed, but I would say it's worth it as your attacks are much more powerful then.

[lemmings121]

That's indeed the case: you can train Native Scouts from your Native Embassy after sending the Advanced Scouts shipment, but naturally you have to construct a native Trading Post first to be able to build the Embassy.

I'm not too sure about rushing in the Colonial Age. The way I would do it in in FFA games was to quickly advance to the Fortress Age to send important cards, like 1000 wood, Native Warriors — –15% cost — and Black Arrow, providing you with –85% train time, decreasing the Native Scouts' train time to just 3 seconds. Then I would lay down 3 Native Embassies and spam them forever, without blocking my TC. It's obviously delayed, but I would say it's worth it as your attacks are much more powerful then.

dam thats some aiz level strats

[gh0st]

Aiz kinda did exactly that in a ffa game on his stream once and it was hilarious.

[pecelot]

Indeed, I'm not as witty to think of it myself, I recall watching it back on his stream in 2015!

[nilfixs]

Aiz did a cool scout rush yesterday with eco https://www.twitch.tv/videos/144255490 he use native trade post for cdb and Native Embassy so he didnt have to stop makeing vills. Lol he destroyed my scout rush earlier in the stream with russian priest.

[noissance]

I wish the native civs had a card that ups your limit for warriors. That way, u could do a killer warrior rush

[fei123456]

I've had experience vs it. It is very bad. The person cannot train villagers because scouts come from the TC. I have also done it before but never with Sioux.

This troll build was best back when iro was really strong and could great house. That way you could make 3 tcs to make scouts and villagers.

Just make doppels and ulhan vs the scouts. Mix bows if he adds bow riders.

Stay in your base and play the time game. He can't make villagers while making scouts.

you can build a native tp, then spam scouts from 3 native huts, while still train vills in tc.

[Garja]

On EP with sioux this is probably a viable strat.

[deleted_user0]

Why? Scouts no longer snare, and there never really was a good reason to do this strat anyway

[Garja]

Ye no snare sux for this strat but 6 teepees make wood gathering like 2x faster. And sioux don't need houses which is particularly relevant here. Plus sioux have that card for infantry speed and WC boost which is nice.
The overall reason to make this strat was that scouts only cost wood so you can stack wood ups. And the unit itself has decent stats.

[deleted_user0]

i thought scouts dont cost pop, so its not super relevant. the strat is still mediocre at best, because why would you make a unit with decent stats when you have many units with good to great stats

[Garja]

Cause you can spam more in theory. Anyway it isn't a great at all. Just on EP wood is going to be gathered almost faster than food thanks to teepees so basically might worth to try it. Ah and native scout doesn't really have a counter (except for spies). Thinking of it, it is exactly like spies spam from TWC.

[Imperial Noob]

Cause you can spam more in theory. Anyway it isn't a great at all. Just on EP wood is going to be gathered almost faster than food thanks to teepees so basically might worth to try it. Ah and native scout doesn't really have a counter (except for spies). Thinking of it, it is exactly like spies spam from TWC.

I thought the add-ons followed one another so quickly, that there was hardly a "TWC multi" at all. Could you explain this strat? Spies are laughably weak, so I'm curious how could it even work.

Edit: something to do with FF and assassin card?

[Garja]

No spies had better base stats I think and no real counter so they were massable and strong. They nerfed them. Native scout are weaker but stronger than current spies after the native card (they get 10 attack iirc).

[deleted_user0]

ye actually euro civs just make spies vs this and win. tad civs wont lose vs it anyway (sepoy or ashi/yumi will crush it and china ff will have np vs it either). that really leaves iro and aztecs, vs which its undoubtedly not viable anyway...

[Garja]

Spies dont work vs this, they cost about the same and produced from just one building.

[yemshi]

Spies dont work vs this, they cost about the same and produced from just one building.

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[Aizamk]

It's true though, (uncarded) spies shouldn't work against this. Gold is much more scarce than wood, and then when you consider the stats, they don't even really hard counter.

Advanced Scout: 90w 180hp 15 hand attack
Spy: 125g 150hp 5x4 hand attack

Scout exactly 10 punches to kill a spy, spy exactly 9 punches to kill scout. Fairly negligible difference.

[Garja]

Forgot it is actually 15 attack and not 10. 180hp 15atk is almost like carded coyotemen but with no real counter.

[spanky4ever]

just watched @Aizamk wrecking Aztecs to bits, going scout rush vs an OP player. on re. Go figure

[milku3459]

just watched @Aizamk wrecking Aztecs to bits, going scout rush vs an OP player. on re. Go figure

look...when aizamk does something it's usually not viable

[deleted_user0]

just watched @Aizamk wrecking Aztecs to bits, going scout rush vs an OP player. on re. Go figure

Vs who?

Lol anseladams is a joke... Hes like 2nd lt. The difference with aizamk is like 20 pr. Ofc aizamk wins. He could probably win with vill rush and shipments...

[deleted_user0]

It's true though, (uncarded) spies shouldn't work against this. Gold is much more scarce than wood, and then when you consider the stats, they don't even really hard counter.

Advanced Scout: 90w 180hp 15 hand attack
Spy: 125g 150hp 5x4 hand attack

Scout exactly 10 punches to kill a spy, spy exactly 9 punches to kill scout. Fairly negligible difference.

Point is not to go pure spies, point is to have a meatshield and then have ur musks or cav deal the dmg

[Kikematamitos]

I've had experience vs it. It is very bad. The person cannot train villagers because scouts come from the TC. I have also done it before but never with Sioux.

This troll build was best back when iro was really strong and could great house. That way you could make 3 tcs to make scouts and villagers.

Just make doppels and ulhan vs the scouts. Mix bows if he adds bow riders.

Stay in your base and play the time game. He can't make villagers while making scouts.

OMG you reply my post!!!!

Me watching him playing:

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