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Gendarme wrote:Cassadors have 4.5 speed?

Yep, they are as fast as strelets and ashis. And they have the shitty range resist stuff, they don't just die.
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Kaiserklein wrote:Nah, xbows cant stay out of musks range after a while. Like 1-2 free volleys max and then musks will catch up. It's due to the fact that xbows have a trash animation so their kiting is not so fast.
Cassadores can kite xbows forever because they have 0.5 extra speed as well as a faster shooting animation, but it's not comparable.

About bow pike vs musk huss, to make it short, musk huss just wins because xbows cant kill cav. Their dps vs cav is just trash, so they have to shoot at musks. Which means that they can't kite so much (they need to stay at 16 range of the musks) and it's easy to snare them with huss while bringing musks in to snipe the pikes.
On vanilla, bow pike did fine because bows had some dps against cav, so you could actually hit and run the cav and stay far away from the musks, which means you needed a decent mass of cav to catch bow pike, unlike on tad where a few huss can be enough


Xbow/pike still can beat musk/huss in that very same way but yep on nilla is way easier. It is about perspective honestly. To me on nilla it's super easy (cav die too fast) while on TAD is doable.
But in general musks are just the wrong unit to counter xbow/pike. Like huss+xbows works way better.
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They dont beat musk/huss. Just imagine 30 musk + 10 huss for example. Its 10 times more scary than 30 bow + 25 pikes. If you play this scenario musk/huss wins every time.
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Dsy wrote:They dont beat musk/huss. Just imagine 30 musk + 10 huss for example. Its 10 times more scary than 30 bow + 25 pikes. If you play this scenario musk/huss wins every time.

Would you ever take 30 xbows + 25 pikes against 30 musk + 10 Huss? Lol. First of all, This scenario is totally unfair. Don't argue with Garja. His statement is always accurate and correct. And 30 musk + 10 Huss take a longer time to train than 30 xbows + 25 pikes.
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ye how dare you argue with garja
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_RDX_ wrote:
Gendarme wrote:Cassadors have 4.5 speed?

Yep, they are as fast as strelets and ashis. And they have the shitty range resist stuff, they don't just die.

They have basically the same ranged hp as skirms, so they do die. Overall they actually die much faster than skirms.

Garja wrote:Xbow/pike still can beat musk/huss in that very same way but yep on nilla is way easier. It is about perspective honestly. To me on nilla it's super easy (cav die too fast) while on TAD is doable.
But in general musks are just the wrong unit to counter xbow/pike. Like huss+xbows works way better.

Well musk/cav just beats xbow/pike with equal investment. If you're using wood crates/stagecoach on wood or xbow/pike shipments, then yeah it's different. But if you just chop the wood to mass xbow pike, it will never be an efficient army against musk/cav.
And yeah RI+cav is the better counter to RI+HI. But that's the point: theoretically, you have HI+RI>HI+cav, but it doesn't work for musk/huss vs bow/cav, because musks are much better than normal HI, and xbow/pikes are shitty units. So what should be the counter composition to musk/huss actually loses to it, as well as being less mobile...
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All those ttms paying off @Kaiserklein
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TTM carryin' him to RO4. Is Ryan the only person to contest Kaiserklein's spot as the number one in micro atm?
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No way i never see ryan ttm
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Do you maintain the TTM servers?
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I remember 2 years ago a random guy on ESO messaged me that some Kaiserklein just beat H2O in TTM. It was weird, I definitely didn't know about the former! :hehe:
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I don't remember ever playing H2O in ttm @pecelot, or are you trolling?
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No, I don't claim it was true, but that's something weird that happened :kinggreen:
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I suppose this settles it. Testimony is very bad evidence.
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He probably would beat me. I don't do well in these TTM situations. Generally I win by knowing how to use apm in dynamic situations. Basically I make better decisions quickly and read situations well.

That being said kaiser has some solid unit control. Anyone who has been kaisered back into their base by his explorer in age 1 knows what I mean :D.
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@QueenOfdestiny Does kaiser control his unit well?
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Kaiserklein wrote:
_RDX_ wrote:
Gendarme wrote:Cassadors have 4.5 speed?

Yep, they are as fast as strelets and ashis. And they have the shitty range resist stuff, they don't just die.

They have basically the same ranged hp as skirms, so they do die. Overall they actually die much faster than skirms.

I mean they have 50% range resist, they take lesser damage from ranged units, means they survive against ranged units (HI/RI/RC) for certain extent than other skirm types. They do die faster overall but that's only against cavs.
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@_RDX_ Kaiser said ranged hp, meaning that he took the ranged resist in account. Their better ranged resist and worse hp make them equal skirmishers in ranged battles, and worse at anything else. Combine this with the fact that they are food-heavy, and Ports are already food-heavy, and you can probably say that having cassadors instead of skirmishers is a significant disadvantage.
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milku3459 wrote:@QueenOfdestiny Does kaiser control his unit well?

Yes he do I should maybe make a video when he plays... It's so fast bit smothe and controlled its just impressive but I think your question was more troll :dry:


Edit: ONE TIME I THOUGHT SERIEUSES ONE TIME
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Lol
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_H2O wrote:That being said kaiser has some solid unit control. Anyone who has been kaisered back into their base by his explorer in age 1 knows what I mean :D.

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