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I have seen different players have a different build with the british, some click up with 17 vills and some with more (20 or 21) still reasonably close to the 3 minute mark by leaving some vills on wood and building 3/4 manors before going up (also thanks to treasures). I was wondering, when is a greedy build like this viable? Simply against slow civs or is there more to it? Also when doing a 20 vill click up i would consider shipping 3 vills, VC and then 700w. Your colonial time will be a bit delayed compared to a 17v click up and since with VC you will be building a lot of manors during transition your third shipment is basically granted by the time you get colonial.
Please let me know what do you think :smile:
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realistically it never is, because you get your crates from the shipment 1 minute later so even if you are not gonna get pressured, you won't benefit. Some people do VC boom with british in age 1 and click up to age 2 and 3 in a row due to really good economy, but its risky because you ageup with 0 units
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Well getting crates 30 secs/1 ninute later in exchange for VC and more vills in transition seems a good deal though to my noobish ears considering that VC can be worth more than 700w itself in the long run :D
That FF build might be interesting to see although it seems a bit too greedy at a first glance, even in team games
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Nah that's not the case. You don't trade 30s for VC, you trade an age 2 shipement for VC which isn't the same. Because even if VC is good for an age 1 shipement, it's almost the same value as 3 selters, which is far from 700w or 5 selters if you want to go greedy.
What matter the most in brit age 1 is to age up asap. If it's 200w+0g start, only buld one manor (so age up with 16 selters), is it's 200w+100g you can oftent vuild a market and buy 100w because you have some coins/food tresures (age up with 16s too) and if it's a 300w start you can either build 2 manors and age up 17 or 1 manor and a TP to send VC and age up 16 too.
The only case where I age up slower is when I have a market start, I see I will have like 600/650f when the 16th vils comes out, and I don't want to push early, in this case I do the wood upgrade and age up with one more vils. (Good when you want to go on lb/pike then because the wood upgrade will pay off).

But aging early is really important with brit because you can pressure your opponent or have a good answer to his pressure+you have the shipements and age up bonus (think steel trape) earlier.

Usually, I even dislike to boom to much during transition, I only chope for 40 or 50 manor pop + ress for steel trape (when I am not doing Mitoe build, which is better when yoou go for cav). Because if you chope for more, you aren't sure to be able to make 5 units with your 1st batch.

However, some player like diarouga/goodspeed don't send 3vils and go for VC 1st. But they steel don't click up with 20 vils wich is just bad/troll.
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bwinner1 wrote:don't click up with 20 vils wich is just bad/troll.

Fite me
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ATP improved buildings 20/20 is the best build atm you scrubs
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Aizamk wrote:
bwinner1 wrote:don't click up with 20 vils wich is just bad/troll.

Fite me

Lol I know you maid this troll befor (which I already tried ofc, but it remains a troll^^), but I accepte the fight lol (I know you may win because you are just better, but to be honnest, if I know you do this I don't think I would lose)
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Master @Aizamk teach me how to 21/50 with british plox, i hope i will prove myself as a worthy vessel for your ancient and secret true wisdom
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isnt vc mainly legit when 300w start, then 200w -> tp, chop 35 wood for house, standard 16-17vil age-up, and when one is age 2 he has already send 3v and vc and a shipment ready for 700w?

dunno stole this build from aiz stream and i saw some ppl doing it, it gives me 50 villager at 7.30min - 8min, but ofc its not as badass as some aiz 21 vil VC age up into FI church build + petards.
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bwinner1 wrote:
Aizamk wrote:
bwinner1 wrote:don't click up with 20 vils wich is just bad/troll.

Fite me

Lol I know you maid this troll befor (which I already tried ofc, but it remains a troll^^), but I accepte the fight lol (I know you may win because you are just better, but to be honnest, if I know you do this I don't think I would lose)

I don't think you quite understand. Not every 20 vill ageup is slow. And as heretical as it might seem, not every 20 vill ageup requires VC to function.

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bwinner1 wrote:
Aizamk wrote:
bwinner1 wrote:don't click up with 20 vils wich is just bad/troll.

Fite me

Lol I know you maid this troll befor (which I already tried ofc, but it remains a troll^^), but I accepte the fight lol (I know you may win because you are just better, but to be honnest, if I know you do this I don't think I would lose)

It's not troll, the strat is really strong.
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I can't play this week @Aizamk
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AOEisLOVE_AOEisLIFE wrote:isnt vc mainly legit when 300w start, then 200w -> tp, chop 35 wood for house, standard 16-17vil age-up, and when one is age 2 he has already send 3v and vc and a shipment ready for 700w?

dunno stole this build from aiz stream and i saw some ppl doing it, it gives me 50 villager at 7.30min - 8min, but ofc its not as badass as some aiz 21 vil VC age up into FI church build + petards.

Vc is always viable as long as your hunts are good. I'd send vc in every mu, including russia/india/aztecs.
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