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India VS Germany

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I mainly play india and I'm having some problems with germany.

Being occupied with his raids, it's difficult to prevent the german to go to fortress. Then I follow but end up with a colonial army ( don't have time to get all the upgrades.
I've been thinking to fight colonial vs fortress (I don't have the resources/time usually to upgrade myself). At least that would give me 2000+ resources to spend on units.
Or just go for a ff myself from the start (knowing that's what germany usually does).

Anyone any ideas?
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usually you rush and then mass for a timing push with sepoy sowar or gurka zamb
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Early game is crucial against a civ like Germany. You want to rush early and get some damage done, possibly delay them to age 3, and so on. Herd from the early game and have hunts right under tc since uhlans are high dps raiders and a small walking distance is important to save vilis. Use sentries to defend raids if they get too out of hand or you see that he is sending 5+ cav into your base which means he'd rather raid than defend your rush. You also have those two early sepoy from Agra age up to help defend against early 2 cav raid but then you want to get those forward for your rush

Edit: if you go for rush or pressure and the German player gets you to pull back entire army to your base to defend raids then you've pretty much let them get to fortress for free so sentries are pretty important here imo
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Just make sepoy and hope that german guy misplays. And attack move a lot
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Asateo wrote:I mainly play india and I'm having some problems with germany.

Being occupied with his raids, it's difficult to prevent the german to go to fortress. Then I follow but end up with a colonial army ( don't have time to get all the upgrades.
I've been thinking to fight colonial vs fortress (I don't have the resources/time usually to upgrade myself). At least that would give me 2000+ resources to spend on units.
Or just go for a ff myself from the start (knowing that's what germany usually does).

Anyone any ideas?
Thx


best anti raid strategy is a very risky strategy : fishing boats
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1. Sepoy rush, and call sentry asap to delay his raiding.
2. Karni mata age 2, mass zamburak and add sowar/gardener.
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If you go karni and make zambs, ger will easily scout it and go naked ff. They can ship skirms in base and camp, or ship br, and either way just win.
Sepoy rush should lose to germany on most maps, but it's still the best way to play the match up imo, just because it's not easy to defend a sepoy rush and ger guy can make mistakes
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fei123456 wrote:1. Sepoy rush, and call sentry asap to delay his raiding.


You mean, before he even got there?
Hadn't thought of that. You can be sure he'll come anyway. ^_^

K so it's a difficult matchup, but sepoy rush is the way to go.
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When you see the uhlans in your base, call sentry asap
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Well, its really hard to play this matchup. Because it always remains as Germany favored. A Sepoy rush will be standard than anything. Its true that india gets hurted so much when raided, I used to have most of my hunts herded near my Agra for this particular reason. Remember, that you do not only place your Agra fort to do a aggressive play. After a successful rush(killing atleast like 2-3 sw), keeping him under pressure, you can change your fate by doing a perfect zamb sowar/gardener gurk timing.
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Its a fairly hopeless matchup for india, and in my opinion it is arguably one of the most imbalanced matchups on the EP. If you are mostly playing quicksearch, I would do a forward agra with a timing and then just try to contain him and hope he got mine screwed.
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I feel like its pretty even
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Lol i remember that in 2015 spring championship (RE), india beats germany many times
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India has chance for sure, but people listened too much the new meta things of ff and booming they forgot rush which is the best tactic in lot of cases.
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It is a pretty shitty MU, but its harder to play from the german side so it makes somewhat sense
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India can press earlier which is pretty much hard for germany to hold. Germany just doesn't have other chance than semi ff with holding the rush,
For the balanced maps germany is favourable but when the map is screwed india should just win...
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If india rushes, germany can defend ok (8 bows+5 trained+4 uhlan+mm+tc fire is quite good) and now has enough res close by to not die from the contain. If india does consulate timing, germany can raid effectively enough to delay the push or idle villagers long enough to reduce india's mass significantly. If india decides to play defensively, germany can just straight ff and win because they are up to fortress like 2 minutes earlier and their mass is so much larger for quite a while.

The ways I have seen india win this matchup are usually with some sort of rush, which works decently on quicksearch and RE maps, and can be effective at lower levels on both RE and EP. However, on the modern EP with modern EP maps (the balanced ones only of course), I have seen germany consistently win if they have a TP, and still do quite well even without one.
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Flail rush works vs Germany for me :!:
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Darwin_ wrote:If india rushes, germany can defend ok (8 bows+5 trained+4 uhlan+mm+tc fire is quite good) and now has enough res close by to not die from the contain. If india does consulate timing, germany can raid effectively enough to delay the push or idle villagers long enough to reduce india's mass significantly. If india decides to play defensively, germany can just straight ff and win because they are up to fortress like 2 minutes earlier and their mass is so much larger for quite a while.

The ways I have seen india win this matchup are usually with some sort of rush, which works decently on quicksearch and RE maps, and can be effective at lower levels on both RE and EP. However, on the modern EP with modern EP maps (the balanced ones only of course), I have seen germany consistently win if they have a TP, and still do quite well even without one.

it's not that easy.
8xbow can hold the 1st batch of sepoy, but it's hard for german to hold the following pressure with sowar/gardener/tiger claw and mass sepoy. and if you start with rax you will have only 2 uhlan to raid, which doesn't really hurt india too much.
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I like how mitoe used to play it. Full boom with forward agra and ghurka zamb in age 2 @Mitoe
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Kaiserklein wrote:If you go karni and make zambs, ger will easily scout it and go naked ff. They can ship skirms in base and camp, or ship br, and either way just win.
Sepoy rush should lose to germany on most maps, but it's still the best way to play the match up imo, just because it's not easy to defend a sepoy rush and ger guy can make mistakes


Well sure you can sepoy rush, but then assuming that you get good damage in with the rush, what is your follow up? Power in Colonial? Go fortress?
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India vs germany is kinda very unwinnable for India. Now much India can do vs a bow semi.
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kami_ryu wrote:
Kaiserklein wrote:If you go karni and make zambs, ger will easily scout it and go naked ff. They can ship skirms in base and camp, or ship br, and either way just win.
Sepoy rush should lose to germany on most maps, but it's still the best way to play the match up imo, just because it's not easy to defend a sepoy rush and ger guy can make mistakes


Well sure you can sepoy rush, but then assuming that you get good damage in with the rush, what is your follow up? Power in Colonial? Go fortress?

If you did good damage pretty much anything should do. The thing is a good germany won't let you do any damage.
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Ez win for indiaaaattack move

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