How the hell do you beat Japan?
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How the hell do you beat Japan?
I don't get it. You can't outboom them, fine. But I just lost after a 10/10 native rush wiped my opponent's town out and they just played hide and freaking seek for half an hour and spammed shrines too fast for me to siege. It was Yucatan and they had ships that I couldnt reach with my army so I went ATP and full land boom to just wait him out and somehow Japan just spits out dozens of Morataru(?) to wipe out my entire town from so far away I can't even see them on the mini map. And then their ships just kill like 8 units in one shot.
I guess I should've picked a sea deck so I could've sent ships? I don't get it. Even when I beat Japan I still lose.
I'm not drunk you're drunk.
I guess I should've picked a sea deck so I could've sent ships? I don't get it. Even when I beat Japan I still lose.
I'm not drunk you're drunk.
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Re: How the hell do you beat Japan?
Don't 10/10 nat rush
But yes, water allows civs to lame until late game in which Japan is OP
we're both drunk
But yes, water allows civs to lame until late game in which Japan is OP
we're both drunk
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Re: How the hell do you beat Japan?
Aizamk wrote:deleted_user wrote:Don't 10/10 nat rush
fite me
I absolutely stole one of your builds. And it worked perfectly. I had everything down at one point but a dock and a couple shrines. I feel like most players would've GG'd but this guy just played hide and seek after that for half an hour.
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Re: How the hell do you beat Japan?
Then you should've stagecoached and built outposts on shore probably
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Re: How the hell do you beat Japan?
Outposts... yeah. Probably woulda been good. Did do stagecoach and it helped a lot until his mortars just destroyed them from out of their LOS.
I also totally forgot about a foundry I built to make culverins but I'm still mad at how he was able to recover at all economically. His eco would've been almost entirely shrines. Most of his vills died in my push.
I also totally forgot about a foundry I built to make culverins but I'm still mad at how he was able to recover at all economically. His eco would've been almost entirely shrines. Most of his vills died in my push.
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Re: How the hell do you beat Japan?
You should be fully stagecoached some 20 minutes before he has units able to kill the TPs from the water if what you said in the OP was correct.
TBH jap and water is dumb and lame but you probably misplayed it. Hard to say without a rec.
TBH jap and water is dumb and lame but you probably misplayed it. Hard to say without a rec.
Re: How the hell do you beat Japan?
you'll need to play water on this map.
keys:
1. spend a few units along your side of shore. he may build docks at both sides.
2. when you have enough land units, stop gathering food. go full wood/gold, build dock asap, train caravels and send 2 caravels.
i don't like playing full land. japan has too many ways to siege, raid... while you can't hurt his eco at all.
he may use ships to deny your docks, so you can use your land units to attract his ships, and build a dock at the same time.
keys:
1. spend a few units along your side of shore. he may build docks at both sides.
2. when you have enough land units, stop gathering food. go full wood/gold, build dock asap, train caravels and send 2 caravels.
i don't like playing full land. japan has too many ways to siege, raid... while you can't hurt his eco at all.
he may use ships to deny your docks, so you can use your land units to attract his ships, and build a dock at the same time.
Re: How the hell do you beat Japan?
frickin rush them, always rush them or early fortress timing push if the jap goes CM full boom. Dk about QS waterboomers, they probably don't resign. In those cases, resign yourself - it's not worth the time
Re: How the hell do you beat Japan?
just spam towers seaside go fortress and build culvs.
Re: How the hell do you beat Japan?
Do some kind of economic damage (direct, or indirect) relatively early on. That's about it, really.
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Re: How the hell do you beat Japan?
I like the title of this post (seems very me)
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Re: How the hell do you beat Japan?
how to beat japan: Play british and outboom.
Re: How the hell do you beat Japan?
try to outboom = lose
Re: How the hell do you beat Japan?
yemshi wrote:try to outboom = lose
Brit can outboom easily, u probably mistake outboom with outscale
Re: How the hell do you beat Japan?
They can. But it is suboptimal.
Re: How the hell do you beat Japan?
Check his deck-->watch closely each side for docks->>tower as close to dock as possible->make dock and send 2 caravels.
Watch for land transition. Expect 5musk ship and batch of 5 musk once he gives up sea
Watch for land transition. Expect 5musk ship and batch of 5 musk once he gives up sea
Re: How the hell do you beat Japan?
The above, and on a map with only water on one side, when you have him beat on land, continue making your base out of range of monitors and prepaire for a long frustrating game.
I'm personally against resigning, you only encourage them to flee like that.
I'm personally against resigning, you only encourage them to flee like that.
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Re: How the hell do you beat Japan?
Asateo wrote:The above, and on a map with only water on one side, when you have him beat on land, continue making your base out of range of monitors and prepaire for a long frustrating game.
I'm personally against resigning, you only encourage them to flee like that.
Asateoblaste?
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Re: How the hell do you beat Japan?
JakeyBoyTH wrote:Asateo wrote:The above, and on a map with only water on one side, when you have him beat on land, continue making your base out of range of monitors and prepaire for a long frustrating game.
I'm personally against resigning, you only encourage them to flee like that.
Asateoblaste?
Euhm.
I'm completely at a loss what might be meant with that.
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Re: How the hell do you beat Japan?
I've been suggesting a MAJOR NERF of Japan for a while. The fact he can shrine boom early and his late game units are OP is just stupid. That he can send mobile shipment and training points - who are themselves high HP units! - AND has powerful naval units is absolutely ridiculous.
If two players of equal skill are playing and one of them plays Japan, what civ can the other play that would have an even or better chance of winning? That's the proof that the civ is OP...
If two players of equal skill are playing and one of them plays Japan, what civ can the other play that would have an even or better chance of winning? That's the proof that the civ is OP...
Re: How the hell do you beat Japan?
abbadan wrote:I've been suggesting a MAJOR NERF of Japan for a while. The fact he can shrine boom early and his late game units are OP is just stupid. That he can send mobile shipment and training points - who are themselves high HP units! - AND has powerful naval units is absolutely ridiculous.
If two players of equal skill are playing and one of them plays Japan, what civ can the other play that would have an even or better chance of winning? That's the proof that the civ is OP...
well you should try to improve your overall skill and not focus so much on beating japan. At some point japan seems a hard to counter civ but you just need to learn how to play lol
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Re: How the hell do you beat Japan?
abbadan wrote:I've been suggesting a MAJOR NERF of Japan for a while. The fact he can shrine boom early and his late game units are OP is just stupid. That he can send mobile shipment and training points - who are themselves high HP units! - AND has powerful naval units is absolutely ridiculous.
If two players of equal skill are playing and one of them plays Japan, what civ can the other play that would have an even or better chance of winning? That's the proof that the civ is OP...
how 2 beat japan 101 late game with me, jakey.
1) make skirm
2) make cav
3) make cannon (*pow*)
rinse and repeat
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Re: How the hell do you beat Japan?
You beat japan by performing a 9/10 or 10/10 as india, shipping flail eles and targeting shrines, check if the big shrine is in a vulnerable position so that you can seige it without taking tc damage!
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Re: How the hell do you beat Japan?
A slow sepoy rush also does the trick, after which you take the tp-line (japan is stabalizing) and then pressure. On non-tp maps it's more difficult, but still feasible
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