White Pagoda FF?

[Inst]

Does anyone have any information on the success rate of getting White Pagoda instead of Confucian Academy, ToH, or Porcelain Tower as a Fortress wonder? Since Arquebusiers are vulnerable to cavalry, and China's skirms are already their strength, how well does White Pagoda for Fortress work?

[TheInvincibleJannisary]

The only reason I would use the White Pagoda is to have fun.

Porcelain Tower is way way better because of wood trickle = 8 vills gathering wood or the skirms are great if you need defense along with free artillery.

[Inst]

Yeah, I redid the math. Even in a best-case scenario, with all researches made courtesy Advanced Monastery, the disciples are only equal to 5 unupgraded veteran hussars in Fortress. That's 800 food for the equivalent of 600 food / 400 gold. By Industrial Age, 10 disciples are worth only 4 unupgraded Guard Hussars, and in Imperial, Disciples are worth only 3.5 unupgraded Imperial Hussars. There's quite a power drop-off as ages go up.

In terms of cost efficiency, by Imperial, disciples are exactly as VS efficient as unupgraded hussars. By Industrial, they're only slightly more VS efficient. When I put up the disciple overnerfed complaint, my point is that China's Colonial is supposed to depend on Disciples and not having OP disciples forces China to FF most of the time.

[deadrising78]

Aoe is not maths

[momuuu]

Yeah, I redid the math. Even in a best-case scenario, with all researches made courtesy Advanced Monastery, the disciples are only equal to 5 unupgraded veteran hussars in Fortress. That's 800 food for the equivalent of 600 food / 400 gold. By Industrial Age, 10 disciples are worth only 4 unupgraded Guard Hussars, and in Imperial, Disciples are worth only 3.5 unupgraded Imperial Hussars. There's quite a power drop-off as ages go up.

In terms of cost efficiency, by Imperial, disciples are exactly as VS efficient as unupgraded hussars. By Industrial, they're only slightly more VS efficient. When I put up the disciple overnerfed complaint, my point is that China's Colonial is supposed to depend on Disciples and not having OP disciples forces China to FF most of the time.

The convert thing is a big deal though.

[gamevideo113]

The point is that disciples cannot be the core of your army, they are simply an addition, exactly like the spanish war dogs. Aging to fortress with the white pagoda is pretty bad imo, i'd rather age with any other wonder.

[Jerimuno]

Aoe is not maths

aoe is at least 90% maths

[Hazza54321]

Quick maths