RE Iro: Their worst M/U & lowest winrate?

[Garja]

wtf 20 jan 4 huss. at that point it's 10 jans 4 huss max. iro ff is 6.40 so you always have tempo over otto by being active with your army. Prob will have 15fp 11kanya vs 15jans 4huss 2 falcs. Then just full goons except for 8 skirm card. Anyway this is just the way I like it to play. Can also go safe skirm goon and it's super easy.

Brit will be totally pinned because of the rush and by the time they aged you will prob have 3 TCs lol. Iro just get so much tempo over brits that it gets worse as the game continues.

[deleted_user0]

Iro otto is easy, just FF and sens 6 kanya ti kill falcs then just make skirm and goons. Vs jan abus you just need good micro.
Vs brit just fast age and be super aggressive with 4kanya 5v 600g while making couple lbows. Eventually the rush fades out because you're collectiing for age up but there is no watly that Brits can punish that. Generally Brit player pushes out and kill iro fb but that's pretty much what they can do. If they keep the pressure they will get trapped by cav and skirms. If they go back iro just mass and it's over.
I dont see how water maps change anything.

You're goona kill 2 falcs with 20vet jans+4huss with 6 kanyas? That's unlikely. It can work if you have some goons behind to snipe the falcs but you really can't afford to make a micro mistake, and it's definitely not "easy".

Brit can just semi ff too, and rape you with lb/pike/falc, and you can't press the issue because you have no canons to break lb+walls.

We played this mu many times for pk4. And it was usually ff vs ff. Iro should win tbh. Theyre faster to fortress. And have the better comp. The easiest way for otto to lose is actually to push early. While iro wants to always probe, using musket rider mobility and fp range to pick up free kills while they get composition to deal with mams. Once mams and cannoms are dead, otto cant win. The only scary thing for iro in this situation is that otto can sneak in a revo if iro doesnt pay attention and probes all the time.

I do think that otto should ff though, because its their best chance still. Its easy to fk up vs cannon mam jans deathball, and if they dont age but all in rush instead, you also have good chances if you micro tc and vils and have atleast 1 hunt in base once u reach fortress so u can get spahi.

[fei123456]

Iro ff may lose to otto rush (iro ff can always be scouted while otto rush is not). And otto can do a straight mameluke build (4 abus age up, 1000g-mame, skip cannons), or FI revolt to beat iro ff.

On poor RE maps india is a bad opponent too.

[deleted_user0]

it shouldnt lose to a rush. u can scout a rush np... you have converts to scout map ez. and u just check the first shipment. then u know. then instead of 5v u send 7 aenna or 6 tomahawk. and get BB right after u age and ship 5 MR or 8 skir.

[jgals]

Iro otto is easy, just FF and sens 6 kanya ti kill falcs then just make skirm and goons. Vs jan abus you just need good micro.
Vs brit just fast age and be super aggressive with 4kanya 5v 600g while making couple lbows. Eventually the rush fades out because you're collectiing for age up but there is no watly that Brits can punish that. Generally Brit player pushes out and kill iro fb but that's pretty much what they can do. If they keep the pressure they will get trapped by cav and skirms. If they go back iro just mass and it's over.
I dont see how water maps change anything.

You're goona kill 2 falcs with 20vet jans+4huss with 6 kanyas? That's unlikely. It can work if you have some goons behind to snipe the falcs but you really can't afford to make a micro mistake, and it's definitely not "easy".

Brit can just semi ff too, and rape you with lb/pike/falc, and you can't press the issue because you have no canons to break lb+walls.

Even the mighty forest prowler is no use. It puts you in an awkward spot where basically if you go to fortress you have to go straight to industrial to ship Cannons but then you sacrificed a lot of ego and resources and he can usually catch up or pull away Ahead even if you are up an age

[jgals]

Iro otto is easy, just FF and sens 6 kanya ti kill falcs then just make skirm and goons. Vs jan abus you just need good micro.
Vs brit just fast age and be super aggressive with 4kanya 5v 600g while making couple lbows. Eventually the rush fades out because you're collectiing for age up but there is no watly that Brits can punish that. Generally Brit player pushes out and kill iro fb but that's pretty much what they can do. If they keep the pressure they will get trapped by cav and skirms. If they go back iro just mass and it's over.
I dont see how water maps change anything.

You're goona kill 2 falcs with 20vet jans+4huss with 6 kanyas? That's unlikely. It can work if you have some goons behind to snipe the falcs but you really can't afford to make a micro mistake, and it's definitely not "easy".

Brit can just semi ff too, and rape you with lb/pike/falc, and you can't press the issue because you have no canons to break lb+walls.

Even the mighty forest prowler is no use. It puts you in an awkward spot where basically if you go to fortress you have to go straight to industrial to ship Cannons but then you sacrificed a lot of ego and resources and he can usually catch up or pull away Ahead even if you are up an age.At least you can get the cuir in fortress and kanye

Also tbh light canon aren’t thAt good vs inf masses without full ups/ever

[fei123456]

it shouldnt lose to a rush. u can scout a rush np... you have converts to scout map ez. and u just check the first shipment. then u know. then instead of 5v u send 7 aenna or 6 tomahawk. and get BB right after u age and ship 5 MR or 8 skir.

But you may still lose the two warhuts, and otto can either age up or add a stable after that. After sending 7 aenna and losing 2 warhuts, iro can hardly train any unit in some time then.

[Garja]

You should be able to hold the basic 5jan 3 huss rush with just the standard naked ff. You need good defenseve skills of course. Tested that for pk tourney. Same thing vs jan abus.
I don't get the point where you're losing whs with colonial play lol.