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France [Armag] diarouga
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15 Apr 2018, 05:14

Welcome to MU of the week. Every week a thread will be opened where we go over a certain match, set on a certain map. Hopefully the discussion will be in depth and top players will share their insight. Replays are definitely welcome so that people may support what they have to say. To make things even more interesting and engaging, we'll set the match-up on a certain map.

This week's featured match-up is Spain versus Japan, the map is Herald Island.

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Welcome! Credit for this idea goes to @kami_ryu @lemmings121 as well as @musketeer925 & @BrookG building upon it. They are the masterminds behind this pretty nice idea!
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European Union bwinner1
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15 Apr 2018, 08:13

Japan probable has an hard Times dealing with some spain ff. I would say japan Can counter all in ff by making full ashi in age 2 (maybe mix cav after killing the 1st push), but you probable need to play age 3 vs spain greedy ff. What do you think ?
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15 Apr 2018, 08:38

bwinner1 wrote:Japan probable has an hard Times dealing with some spain ff. I would say japan Can counter all in ff by making full ashi in age 2 (maybe mix cav after killing the 1st push), but you probable need to play age 3 vs spain greedy ff. What do you think ?

Seems like it all hinges on japan dealing with 2 falcs from spain, how to do that best is the question
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France [Armag] diarouga
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15 Apr 2018, 08:50

bwinner1 wrote:Japan probable has an hard Times dealing with some spain ff. I would say japan Can counter all in ff by making full ashi in age 2 (maybe mix cav after killing the 1st push), but you probable need to play age 3 vs spain greedy ff. What do you think ?

Yea I agree, I haven't found a BO as Japan that counters everything because as you said, if you go full ashi you'll hold the all in ff but you'll lose to the eco ff because of skirms.
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15 Apr 2018, 09:15

dyddyd does a naked ff as japan in this mu. Works pretty well from what I've seen. @dyddyd91
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France [Armag] diarouga
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15 Apr 2018, 11:36

tedere12 wrote:dyddyd does a naked ff as japan in this mu. Works pretty well from what I've seen. @dyddyd91

I don't know how he does it, but from my experience, it simply does not work vs the agressive ff. It works well vs the 19v ff though.
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Poland pecelot
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15 Apr 2018, 11:42

As Spain with my pike build I struggle the most against full Ashigaru. They're pretty good in general, too, as eco FF requires some time to get things rolling, leaving few defences up until certain point.
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France P i k i l i c
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15 Apr 2018, 12:39

How about pure samurai? @yemshi
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15 Apr 2018, 12:40

easy to scout an aggressive ff from spain, you start 600w anyway (600w 600g) vs greddy ff and (600w adapt) for colonial play. Age to age 3 with the shogunate in this MU
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15 Apr 2018, 13:12

[Armag] diarouga wrote:
tedere12 wrote:dyddyd does a naked ff as japan in this mu. Works pretty well from what I've seen. @dyddyd91

I don't know how he does it, but from my experience, it simply does not work vs the agressive ff. It works well vs the 19v ff though.


Lag is very effective strat!
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Netherlands Bachscharfschütze
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15 Apr 2018, 13:24

isn't this the map filled with dank treasures? for both civs i reccomend shipping the explorer card second. Kappa 123
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Germany yemshi
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15 Apr 2018, 13:51

P i k i l i c wrote:How about pure samurai? @yemshi

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France [Armag] diarouga
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15 Apr 2018, 14:36

Hazza54321 wrote:easy to scout an aggressive ff from spain, you start 600w anyway (600w 600g) vs greddy ff and (600w adapt) for colonial play. Age to age 3 with the shogunate in this MU

Hum, no, it's really not that easy... Sometimes 15v age up and agressive tower is followed by 5v into eco ff, Spain can adapt until like 6min30, and at this point, you'll have to send your 2nd colonial shipment as Japan so the Spain player can also adapt.
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15 Apr 2018, 14:41

Less talk, more play
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15 Apr 2018, 15:29

Hazza54321 wrote:Less talk, more play



Let's ask @Lukas_L99 about his opinion
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Venezuela Hazza54321
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15 Apr 2018, 15:33

that dude has alot of insight!
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China fei123456
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16 Apr 2018, 05:10

Fast ff, spanish gold, 1000w, cannon, (9rod/5lancer), unction
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Netherlands momuuu
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16 Apr 2018, 10:44

How about spamming walls vs aggressive FF? How about spamming walls in general? Need some of that macro auto pillar delete while you're at it.

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Germany yemshi
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19 Apr 2018, 09:05

If you spam walls you can safely go for a 600w/600c FF into 2 flaming arrows or 1000c and pure ashi with castle defense. Without walls you might have quite some trouble and probably need CM and villager micro.
You should really get a TP though and try to put shrines on food whenever possible to persevere your cherry orchards longer; the shipment usually needs to be delayed until there is really no other chance as you need to send military units.

If you sent boats put them on food unless you feel you'll use up your coin mines real fast.

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