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France [Armag] diarouga
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08 May 2018, 14:58

Welcome to MU of the week. Every week a thread will be opened where we go over a certain match, set on a certain map. Hopefully the discussion will be in depth and top players will share their insight. Replays are definitely welcome so that people may support what they have to say. To make things even more interesting and engaging, we'll set the match-up on a certain map.

This week's featured match-up is China vs Port on Baja California .

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Welcome! Credit for this idea goes to @kami_ryu @lemmings121 as well as @musketeer925 & @BrookG building upon it. They are the masterminds behind this pretty nice idea!
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08 May 2018, 18:13

fair mu, but not on this map. maybe jeroms dock ff for china can do something. But i think china will just lose vs port water in the long run.
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Italy Garja
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08 May 2018, 18:26

This is one map where it's relatively easy to procrastinate the game if you go for water. Mostly because of rush distance and water on both sides.
Also because every single map on ESOC has a bottom line for starting hunt amount it's hard to punish water with aggressive play and China in any case doesn't have very fast rush.
I guess if you don't want to try usual stuff (FF, water FF, FI, etc.) You could try some stagecoach colo play into age up and maybe old han. Also just stagecoach+water and go for max boom.
Problem is that pretty much every civ on EP gets outscaled if tries to mirror Port water play and that's partly due to vill scaling which makes Port progression incredibly smooth.
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08 May 2018, 18:36

fi for old han and crow spam mightve won on re, but wont work on ep.
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Brazil lemmings121
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08 May 2018, 18:44

Fi jinete hc vs fi old han reforms. Not sure what is the best one in current ep... I would bet on ports.
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France [Armag] diarouga
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08 May 2018, 19:10

Yea Port FI better on the EP.
I'm not sure Port water would win actually, and that's why I wanted this to be discussed.

First, if Port goes water, China can take the TP line and almost keep up in eco.
In addition, China will be in age3 before Port and will easily win the water fight on the right side, because they have mortars, age 3 boats which are great, and there's no TC to defend the right side, and if there's one it will die to the 7 mortars.

Thus, the Port water option is debatable. Maybe a standard eco ff from Port is better.
Then, does a std Port ff beat the China ff?
It used to when villd costed 80f, it doesn't on the RE, but what now?
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08 May 2018, 19:25

I would have to test to be sure, but isnt the third tp reasonably close to the water? maybe not in direct range of a frigate, but close enough that ships can protect the troops sieging it. plus, in industrial age a monitor can snipe it. A stagecoach boom where you give your enemy 1/3 of the route inst that great.

Anyway, a direct all in ff from china doesnt sound too good vs 3tcs/cm/frig/wall/unit pops, but a ff with porcelain tower + stagecoach could setup a contain, castles near water, pressure to deny gold.. it could work just fine for china.
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France [Armag] diarouga
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08 May 2018, 19:40

I'm pretty sure the TPs are out of the freagate range. Monitors aren't available before age 4 and by that time your boom will have paid off.
Anyway, even a 2TP boom is good if your opponent doesn't get the 3rd.

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