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umeu wrote:Any good player would simply adapt when scouting that karni coming up at 2 min, giving them plenty time to prepare an agressive opening. And sure you have 3 diff mm but if you 300 export first you will struggle to get a rax up and units out. Its just so easy to exploit i feel.

There are maybe 3 mus that karni would be viable in, and thats only because karni isnt meta i feel. China jap and ports all have the options to punish such greedy india play. And surely you can react to that as india by delaying market tech and getting units out faster, but in that case you might wonder if karni is really worth it then

Not to mention that you need to make an tp or struggle with xp issues, further straining your wood income, if you start 300 export, i simply dont see you getting anything out
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umeu wrote:Any good player would simply adapt when scouting that karni coming up at 2 min, giving them plenty time to prepare an agressive opening. And sure you have 3 diff mm but if you 300 export first you will struggle to get a rax up and units out. Its just so easy to exploit i feel.
Nope. You realise it''s 10/10? I''ve held fast rushes with 300e first, simply chop more wood and build the rax. Delay market ups, wall a bit and you''re good to go. Comments like these make me not take you seriously, since you obviously have no experience with this build. Just try it a couple times instead of speculating.
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I already responded to that objection. If you have to chop more wood, delay your market ups, due to pressure most likely delay your 4v shipment in case you may need 6 mm, what then is the added value of going karni over agra. Surely its tiny if there is any.
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The fact that they rushed you and you held it means you already won the game so I guess that's the added value?
It's not like they're rushing and still randomly have the same eco that they would have if they didn't rush.
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manojhere wrote:
subzero wrote:Yeah, Sepoy rush is just not much hard for France to deal with. Coreurs just dont die.
I saw rec of asc finals, h2o vs bs india vs french. H2O won with slow agra rush because blackstar went for cav semi FF with random wall glitch and didnt get great coats too early and H2O microed pretty well.


Atleast someone knows :)

Only a player who has ever played this MU knows how hard is it for India. It isnt easy for France either, but France has more ways to win though hardly. India doesnt.
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You are definitely not qinggod, at least not the one I used to know...
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shaolinstar wrote:You are definitely not qinggod, at least not the one I used to know...
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subzero wrote:
shaolinstar wrote:You are definitely not qinggod, at least not the one I used to know...
Well. As I said, me and my clan mate share those accs. He use qinggod more, so it must be my clan mate. Hes Chinese. He use otto mostly.
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mitoe wrote:
calmyourtits wrote:France ages up, India cant really punish so they either age up themselves or build forward and try to keep map control in colonial, depending on the map. I think its a pretty even match up either way.
This. The matchup basically comes down to whether or not France can make good use of their falc shipment (or a large mass of skirms, since their skirms will be better than colonial India or theyll have more of them vs fortress India). If India manages to shut down the falcs without losing too much it probably swings in Indias favour.
well +1 mitoe , you make sense , i don see india finding it hard vs f
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manojhere wrote:
mitoe wrote:This. The matchup basically comes down to whether or not France can make good use of their falc shipment (or a large mass of skirms, since their skirms will be better than colonial India or theyll have more of them vs fortress India). If India manages to shut down the falcs without losing too much it probably swings in Indias favour.
well +1 mitoe , you make sense , i don see india finding it hard vs f
r pr 30+ http://aoe3.jpcommunity.com/rating2/stats?t=age3ySP1v1 ....even in highest level ask BS or h20 ofc its india end of story

And what is supposed to be the "standard" india v fre BO?

I find Fre semi-ffs quite anoying to deal with. As people said, slow agra sepoy rush doesnt do a lot, and just defending the raids and booming leaves you in colo with good eco, against goon skirm +2falco, witch is quite hard to deal it.
and semi ffing as india is just.. "meh"... cant see how india would best use early age3 with no eco.
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The difference between 1010 karni and slow agra is marginal and mostly comes down to other factors rather than eco or offensive potential.
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Imo Indian wins. French has got two viable options : bows pikes either Semi-ff. Both cases it could loses vs a very good Indian player imo
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diarouga wrote:
umeu wrote:Any good player would simply adapt when scouting that karni coming up at 2 min, giving them plenty time to prepare an agressive opening. And sure you have 3 diff mm but if you 300 export first you will struggle to get a rax up and units out. Its just so easy to exploit i feel.

There are maybe 3 mus that karni would be viable in, and thats only because karni isnt meta i feel. China jap and ports all have the options to punish such greedy india play. And surely you can react to that as india by delaying market tech and getting units out faster, but in that case you might wonder if karni is really worth it then

Not to mention that you need to make an tp or struggle with xp issues, further straining your wood income, if you start 300 export, i simply dont see you getting anything out
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marco1698 wrote:Imo Indian wins. French has got two viable options : bows pikes either Semi-ff. Both cases it could loses vs a very good Indian player imo
Bow rush can not work but semi ff should beat any indian.
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diarouga wrote:
marco1698 wrote:Imo Indian wins. French has got two viable options : bows pikes either Semi-ff. Both cases it could loses vs a very good Indian player imo
Bow rush can not work but semi ff should beat any indian.

watch h2o vs blackstar. H2o won as indian
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One game of not totally equal players to determine the outcome of a matchup on every map. It's a bad argument for the outcome of the matchup, quite frankly.
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marco1698 wrote:
diarouga wrote:Bow rush can not work but semi ff should beat any indian.
watch h2o vs blackstar. H2o won as indian
Blackstar lost some CDBs and had to garnisoned all his vills for more than 1 min. And then, even in age 3 he could have won if he didnt take a bad fight.
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diarouga wrote:
marco1698 wrote: watch h2o vs blackstar. H2o won as indian
Blackstar lost some CDBs and had to garnisoned all his vills for more than 1 min. And then, even in age 3 he could have won if he didnt take a bad fight.
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diarouga wrote:
marco1698 wrote:Imo Indian wins. French has got two viable options : bows pikes either Semi-ff. Both cases it could loses vs a very good Indian player imo
Bow rush can not work but semi ff should beat any indian.

dude check this http://aoe3.jpcommunity.com/rating2/stats?t=age3ySP1v1 ... india obviously a top tier x1 civ and if just a semi ff can beat india ..thats the lamest strat in game...and venox ye blackstar and h20 not equal .. BS >' h20 for now
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@manojhere

outdated stats although I agree with you : indians >' french
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manojhere wrote:
diarouga wrote:Bow rush can not work but semi ff should beat any indian.

dude check this http://aoe3.jpcommunity.com/rating2/stats?t=age3ySP1v1 ... india obviously a top tier x1 civ and if just a semi ff can beat india ..thats the lamest strat in game...and venox ye blackstar and h20 not equal .. BS >' h20 for now
Who cares about elo? Thats because noobs dont know how to counter india as france. And when I say noobs I mean that 2k elos are noobs. Also this is old and the meta game evolved.
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Also the maps.
Mostly the maps..
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calmyourtits wrote:Also the maps.
Mostly the maps..
Yeah on hispa and caro india wins it, same on no food maps like Ozark.
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paul wrote:
bramboy wrote:Actually, a slow sepoy rush is probably the best way to lose. If fr goes for a semi he can ship 8 bow and still age because of the tp. 5 huss + mm + vills + tc fire will hold any sepoy rush np.
if french chop for a tp he wont have 5 hussar in the first batch without big treasures.
and what to do against a 10/10 rush? your stable cant finish sometimes.
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