sioux vs age 2 muuuuuuuuuuuuskets

fei123456 · Post by **fei123456** » 25 Jul 2015, 21:23

like vs french or japan

every french goes for 2 rax musk. and some may even rush vs 360hp cdbs. raid is not a easy job vs french. if i semiff and he pushes and gg.
but if i stay age2 spamming bowrider and cetan bow, he may spam 40+ musks and find a chance to age up himself and still gg.

japan 300w is not a common BO due to the lack of eco. BUT 300w japan still have a better eco than sioux lol. and the same problem: if i semiff then gg. if i stay age 2 i can't raid him at all and sooner or later i'll get outmassed.

fei123456 · Post by **fei123456** » 25 Jul 2015, 21:31

should i send 4 axe rider to raid french? 4 vills just worse than 4 cdbs and sioux don't have steel trap. but i can't make sure i can kill his cdbs with 4 ARs.
and what unit combo should i train? AR cetan bow are good vs xbow pike, but not as good vs musk (and he may train some hussar). bow rider are great but i'll never have the same amount with his musks. and bow rider can't raid cdbs easily and they even get raped by 360hp cdb musk rush.

Marco1698 · Post by **Marco1698** » 26 Jul 2015, 00:51

Imo Sioux loses this o..o

iNcog · Post by **iNcog** » 26 Jul 2015, 07:37

I think Sioux just loses to this. I could be wrong.

fei123456 · Post by **fei123456** » 26 Jul 2015, 07:45

so why you guys say sioux lame everyday? they need to be buffed!

_venox_ · Post by **_venox_** » 26 Jul 2015, 09:06

It is that Sioux has no other option but to spam bow riders, everything else kind of sucks. Normally people shouldn't go pure muskets since that can be countered by morning star:
Age with 500 food and gather 200 wood in transition. Build a stable, send 4 axe riders and train 10 axe riders with help of the 500 food. Then the transformation card and continue to train axe riders against potential xbow shenanigans.
I don't know how viable this build is but it worked for me two out of two times (I rarely play sioux).

fei123456 · Post by **fei123456** » 26 Jul 2015, 09:08

venox wrote:It is that Sioux has no other option but to spam bow riders, everything else kind of sucks. Normally people shouldn''t go pure muskets since that can be countered by morning star:
Age with 500 food and gather 200 wood in transition. Build a stable, send 4 axe riders and train 10 axe riders with help of the 500 food. Then the transformation card and continue to train axe riders against potential xbow shenanigans.
I don''t know how viable this build is but it worked for me two out of two times (I rarely play sioux).

rifle rider has high damage but very low hp. they can''t kill mass musk easily, and usually french will mix a few xbow(or even cdb).

_venox_ · Post by **_venox_** » 26 Jul 2015, 09:12

That's what you then use the axe riders for, that you train after the transformation: to soak up the damage and to kill the xbows. You could also send the 2 high hitpoints dog soldiers.

I will test how many axe riders I can get out and try to have as many units around minute 8 as possible. I will write in the edited post how many units I was able to make.

At 6.30 the transformation arrived and I had 14 rifle riders and 3 axe riders. At 8 I had 14 rifle riders, 10 axe riders and 2 dog soldiers. Maybe you could normally age with the 400 wood and get a trading post and a stable up, gathering resources only so you get the cav attack after the 2 dog soldiers, or 6 cetan/3 bears if you need them.

[Armag] diarouga · Post by **[Armag] diarouga** » 26 Jul 2015, 09:41

Sioux have to semi ff 2 TPs vs those civs, it works vs every colo-. I bashed ACERGAY09 and Milk_Tea's jap with that. Vs France if you def proprely with your skirms, you can hold his timing.

_venox_ · Post by **_venox_** » 26 Jul 2015, 09:54

3v 4v 700c 700w 9 wakina?

fei123456 · Post by **fei123456** » 26 Jul 2015, 09:57

diarouga wrote:Sioux have to semi ff 2 TPs vs those civs, it works vs every colo-. I bashed ACERGAY09 and Milk_Tea''s jap with that. Vs France if you def proprely with your skirms, you can hold his timing.

what''s your bo? seems difficult to have that much wood.

[Armag] diarouga · Post by **[Armag] diarouga** » 26 Jul 2015, 10:28

paul wrote:
diarouga wrote:Sioux have to semi ff 2 TPs vs those civs, it works vs every colo-. I bashed ACERGAY09 and Milk_Teas jap with that. Vs France if you def proprely with your skirms, you can hold his timing.
whats your bo? seems difficult to have that much wood.

What blackstar did vs H2Os indians

_venox_ · Post by **_venox_** » 26 Jul 2015, 10:29

Link or build order please?

[Armag] diarouga · Post by **[Armag] diarouga** » 26 Jul 2015, 10:33

venox wrote:Link or build order please?

age with 15v
while aging market (food+gold upgrade)+TP
With 400w from age up stable+TP, train 5 brs
Send 4v/700g/700w, fast age up, you''ll be up at 8min with a shipment ready. And then make a rax and spam vet brs/vet ars/wakinas+shipments. When you want to push, send the dogs from the TC ''big button'' and put 15 vills on the war dance.

fei123456 · Post by **fei123456** » 26 Jul 2015, 10:35

diarouga wrote:
paul wrote:whats your bo? seems difficult to have that much wood.
What blackstar did vs H2Os indians

vs japan it seems not available. he just send 5 yumi 5 yumi and early rush.

fei123456 · Post by **fei123456** » 26 Jul 2015, 10:38

diarouga wrote:
venox wrote:Link or build order please?
age with 15v
while aging market (food+gold upgrade)+TP
With 400w from age up stable+TP, train 5 brs
Send 4v/700g/700w, fast age up, youll be up at 8min with a shipment ready. And then make a rax and spam vet brs/vet ars/wakinas+shipments. When you want to push, send the dogs from the TC big button and put 15 vills on the war dance.

blackstar gets many treasure. or he cannot get 2 tp up and train br (market upgrade and tp cost 425w in total).
and h2o plays eco start india which means he wont have 10+ sepoys before 7:00. but french may send 4 cdb and still have 25+ musk then.

fei123456 · Post by **fei123456** » 26 Jul 2015, 10:39

paul wrote:
diarouga wrote:What blackstar did vs H2Os indians
vs japan it seems not available. he just send 5 yumi 5 yumi and early rush.

sometimes he even builds fb.

[Armag] diarouga · Post by **[Armag] diarouga** » 26 Jul 2015, 13:40

Couprider, Milk_Tea did 300w/5ashis/5ashis/5yumis/5yumis 2 times vs me and it didn't work...
And I'm able to TP+market and train 5brs each games.

I tested this BO and it does work (sioux still loose to france and jap but if the japs rushes or the fre do shit then sioux win).

fei123456 · Post by **fei123456** » 26 Jul 2015, 13:49

diarouga wrote:Couprider, Milk_Tea did 300w/5ashis/5ashis/5yumis/5yumis 2 times vs me and it didn''t work...
And I''m able to TP+market and train 5brs each games.

I tested this BO and it does work (sioux still loose to france and jap but if the japs rushes or the fre do shit then sioux win).

how did you beat 25+ ashis and 5 clubs with 5 brs? ???

[Armag] diarouga · Post by **[Armag] diarouga** » 26 Jul 2015, 13:52

paul wrote:
diarouga wrote:Couprider, Milk_Tea did 300w/5ashis/5ashis/5yumis/5yumis 2 times vs me and it didnt work...
And Im able to TP+market and train 5brs each games.

I tested this BO and it does work (sioux still loose to france and jap but if the japs rushes or the fre do shit then sioux win).
how did you beat 25+ ashis and 5 clubs with 5 brs? ???

I adapted lol, I made more brs and sent cetans/dogs/bears and aged when I had an opportunity xD.
Otherwise if you dont know how to hold a rush just club/cetan rush xD.

fei123456 · Post by **fei123456** » 26 Jul 2015, 13:55

diarouga wrote:
paul wrote:how did you beat 25+ ashis and 5 clubs with 5 brs? ???
I adapted lol, I made more brs and sent cetans/dogs/bears and aged when I had an opportunity xD.
Otherwise if you dont know how to hold a rush just club/cetan rush xD.

yeah i sent cetans to defend.
but i just cant find an oppotunity to age up. everytime i sent 700g and he push and gg. br just lose to ashi yumi.

fei123456 · Post by **fei123456** » 26 Jul 2015, 13:58

diarouga wrote:
paul wrote:how did you beat 25+ ashis and 5 clubs with 5 brs? ???
I adapted lol, I made more brs and sent cetans/dogs/bears and aged when I had an opportunity xD.
Otherwise if you dont know how to hold a rush just club/cetan rush xD.

and the key is just mass br?
but i find it difficult when he spam xbow pike or mix a few xbow in musks. ar cetan may be better versus xbow pike.

[Armag] diarouga · Post by **[Armag] diarouga** » 26 Jul 2015, 14:02

xbow/pike is easily holdable, xbow/musk is harder to deal with but just semi then.

fei123456 · Post by **fei123456** » 26 Jul 2015, 17:33

diarouga wrote:Couprider, Milk_Tea did 300w/5ashis/5ashis/5yumis/5yumis 2 times vs me and it didn''t work...
And I''m able to TP+market and train 5brs each games.

I tested this BO and it does work (sioux still loose to france and jap but if the japs rushes or the fre do shit then sioux win).

i semiff and he rush with musk xbow. i sent 9 wakina to kite him but his 3 hussar just arrives. and i only have few bow riders to kill them.

[Armag] diarouga · Post by **[Armag] diarouga** » 26 Jul 2015, 17:46

paul wrote:
diarouga wrote:Couprider, Milk_Tea did 300w/5ashis/5ashis/5yumis/5yumis 2 times vs me and it didnt work...
And Im able to TP+market and train 5brs each games.

I tested this BO and it does work (sioux still loose to france and jap but if the japs rushes or the fre do shit then sioux win).
i semiff and he rush with musk xbow. i sent 9 wakina to kite him but his 3 hussar just arrives. and i only have few bow riders to kill them.

whos he?

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