Does manually targeting ranged units affect their animation?

Jaeger · Post by **Jaeger** » 31 Jul 2015, 19:28

I've tried 35 musks vs 35 musks vs 2 different colonels now. Each time, they microed their ass off and I just attack moved and won. I think maybe if you set a command to a musk while he's loading his gun, maybe he starts loading his gun all over again but idk just guessing.

gibson · Post by **gibson** » 31 Jul 2015, 19:32

ovi12 wrote:I''ve tried 35 musks vs 35 musks vs 2 different colonels now. Each time, they microed their ass off and I just attack moved and won. ?I think maybe if you set a command to a musk while he''s loading his gun, maybe he starts loading his gun all over again but idk just guessing.

attack move OP confirmed

Jaeger · Post by **Jaeger** » 31 Jul 2015, 19:33

gibson wrote:
ovi12 wrote:Ive tried 35 musks vs 35 musks vs 2 different colonels now. Each time, they microed their ass off and I just attack moved and won. I think maybe if you set a command to a musk while hes loading his gun, maybe he starts loading his gun all over again but idk just guessing.
attack move OP confirmed

yes really

Goodspeed · Post by **Goodspeed** » 31 Jul 2015, 19:47

You can attack move ?nd micro though. Amove doesn't prevent you from positioning your units or actively preventing overkill.
But yes, not attack moving in a 35 musk vs 35 musk war is madness.

Jaeger · Post by **Jaeger** » 31 Jul 2015, 19:49

calmyourtits wrote:You can attack move ?nd micro though. Amove doesn''t prevent you from positioning your units or actively preventing overkill.
But yes, not attack moving in a 35 musk vs 35 musk war is madness.

Idk if they DIDN''T attack move at first, i just said lets try me 35 musk and u micro vs me.

momuuu · Post by **momuuu** » 31 Jul 2015, 19:50

Sometimes less really is more. For example when regarding some aoe3 battles.

Jaeger · Post by **Jaeger** » 31 Jul 2015, 19:51

calmyourtits wrote:You can attack move ?nd micro though. Amove doesn''t prevent you from positioning your units or actively preventing overkill.
But yes, not attack moving in a 35 musk vs 35 musk war is madness.

Also, if you just leave musk alone don''t they a move automatically? What else would they do if you don''t immediately give them a next command?

Marco1698 · Post by **Marco1698** » 31 Jul 2015, 23:00

Attack move is for noobs. Jk it is op really

Kaiserklein · Post by **Kaiserklein** » 31 Jul 2015, 23:18

Imo attack move should be removed, so that a better micro really pays off. Here it's just too easy, sometimes even top players don't bother about microing hard some important fights, because it's simply not worth it. Without attack move, being able to split your units correctly would change a lot in a game...

Post by **_H2O** » 01 Aug 2015, 01:40

Yes controlling muskets in musk vs musk is a bit of an art form. If you over control it you will lose because odds are you are setting up too much over kill and forcing units to walk a little to hit units that are out of range. I almost never right click in musk vs musk. It's more about tactical use of attack move and drawing ur opponent to let a few units stray.

deleted_user0 · Post by **deleted_user0** » 01 Aug 2015, 01:48

I feel like its almost better to move in 2x 25 instead of 1x50 because of the concave. But its easier to get caught out of position that way as well

_venox_ · Post by **_venox_** » 02 Aug 2015, 08:41

The only thing you could do without investing much time is if your enemy is a-moving and his units all shot at about the same time, you can send 1 musk in front to tank all the shots and thus wasting almost all of the enemies shots.

Post by **_H2O** » 02 Aug 2015, 09:12

That also works poorly IMO.

Just watch one of the many France, brit, or Japan mirrors I've played and see what I do. I don't know how to explain it, but just attack move is best.

momuuu · Post by **momuuu** » 02 Aug 2015, 09:16

umeu wrote:I feel like its almost better to move in 2x 25 instead of 1x50 because of the concave. But its easier to get caught out of position that way as well

Id agree that is probably the optimal way of doing it, but only if you dont get caught. If your opponent is pushing in to pressure you, you can probably do that withouy getting caught though. Someone should test this option by doing only attack move then to see if it is actually better.

Aizamk · Post by **Aizamk** » 02 Aug 2015, 09:27

venox wrote:The only thing you could do without investing much time is if your enemy is a-moving and his units all shot at about the same time, you can send 1 musk in front to tank all the shots and thus wasting almost all of the enemies shots.

This can actually work sometimes, see the musketeer wars in veni vs mitoe french mirror last tourney.

spear · Post by **spear** » 02 Aug 2015, 11:59

I think in attack move, if an enemy unit is dead before an unit just about to fire on it, it diverts this shot to any other enemy units. While in micro mode, there are three problems :
1. One cannot select exact amount of units needed to kill one enemy unit. Ex- Like selecting exactly 7 muskets (161 combined ranged attack) to kill one enemy musket(150 HP) instantly. So wastage of shots if like 8+ are selected.
2. Sometimes you mis-click on ground instead on enemy units as they keep moving so your selected bunch of muskets walk to that spot instead of shooting. Or due to a bug if u shift click a group of muskets on an enemy musket and if it dies before your selected
muskets target it, they walk to that spot (where that enemy unit died), I think.
3. I will add this later

I feel that attack move can be countered if the army movement is stable like no moving back and forth, by having one row of all units in U or arc formation(One can make more groups but it is a tedious task to implement, 6 Musk*8 groups for 48 muskets). Or do what Ryan did like adding some ranged units like CrossBows behind muskets. Or keep moving low-hp units to back but beware muskets make huge horizontal line so those low hp muskets move all way around and get killed.
I believe one whose units waste less shots and walk less wins this match-up.

Kaiserklein · Post by **Kaiserklein** » 02 Aug 2015, 12:28

It can also result in a free kill if the opponent kites the forward musk

adderbrain5 · Post by **adderbrain5** » 07 Aug 2015, 13:32

kaiserklein wrote:Imo attack move should be removed, so that a better micro really pays off. Here it''s just too easy, sometimes even top players don''t bother about microing hard some important fights, because it''s simply not worth it. Without attack move, being able to split your units correctly would change a lot in a game...

+ 1
By the way if your kiting or splitting just make sure after you hit attack move all the musks have fired before You move them, unless one is way in back out of range then your just wasting time and taking hits

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