Otto vs french

[Marco1698]

This MU as French I do semi ff hussars and try to raid, while as Otto I try to Jan abus but it usually doesn't work. That's because the French vills are too much strong if fre upgrades them from the market. Some hussars + musk + 8bows + French vills kill everything. Maybe I have to make rax and artillery foundry in the middle of map? And push with the first batch? Any advices? I thought otto would rape fre but those vills..

[britishmusketeer]

Easy win for otto. French can't hold the early Jan falc push whilst also holding the later jan abus falc mam push.

[Mr_Bramboy]

3v 700c 700w 8 jans 2 falcs 1000c mams

Push with falcs + mams. gg no re

As fr, your best bet is to semi ff and go full goon + cannons + 8 skirm shipment. If he ffs you can go 1000c first for goon spam from two stables.

[Marco1698]

3v 700c 700w 8 jans 2 falcs 1000c mams

Push with falcs + mams. gg no re

As fr, your best bet is to semi ff and go full goon + cannons + 8 skirm shipment. If he ffs you can go 1000c first for goon spam from two stables.

who cares about ur opinion.

[Marco1698]

Easy win for otto. French can''t hold the early Jan falc push whilst also holding the later jan abus falc mam push.

oh.. So you think ff is the strategy viable. I thought about Jan abus. I will age2 with outpost on middle map to take map control but anyway full goons rape falconets so it''s like a useless card in this situation. With a good micro schirms goons > Jans mams

[britishmusketeer]

Easy win for otto. French cant hold the early Jan falc push whilst also holding the later jan abus falc mam push.

oh.. So you think ff is the strategy viable. I thought about Jan abus. I will age2 with outpost on middle map to take map control but anyway full goons rape falconets so its like a useless card in this situation. With a good micro schirms goons >' Jans mams

Just because you ff doesnt mean you need to go full jan. Also you dont need the outpost forward. So age with 400w and go jan abus in fort and pure goon doesnt beat jans or abus.

[_venox_]

3v 700c 700w 8 jans 2 falcs 1000c mams

Push with falcs + mams. gg no re

As fr, your best bet is to semi ff and go full goon + cannons + 8 skirm shipment. If he ffs you can go 1000c first for goon spam from two stables.

who cares about ur opinion.

Childish and rude.

[Marco1698]

who cares about ur opinion.

Childish and rude.

He started to be childish and rude without any sense. I played some games with that guy and i had him on my friends list, one day he pested me without any reasons and told me he doesnt like me in the game and in the forum too. So i want be rude now

[Marco1698]

oh.. So you think ff is the strategy viable. I thought about Jan abus. I will age2 with outpost on middle map to take map control but anyway full goons rape falconets so its like a useless card in this situation. With a good micro schirms goons >' Jans mams

Just because you ff doesnt mean you need to go full jan. Also you dont need the outpost forward. So age with 400w and go jan abus in fort and pure goon doesnt beat jans or abus.

age with 400w isnt a good idea, though. With 200g + outpost you take map control and protect ur vills from raids, its anti-rush even french doesnt rush, i mean in general. 400w just gives you a rax + 2 houses but you dont want spam any janns since you need to gather food until aging. Personally i dont see a better ff with 400w.

[Jaeger]

oh.. So you think ff is the strategy viable. I thought about Jan abus. I will age2 with outpost on middle map to take map control but anyway full goons rape falconets so its like a useless card in this situation. With a good micro schirms goons >' Jans mams

Just because you ff doesnt mean you need to go full jan. Also you dont need the outpost forward. So age with 400w and go jan abus in fort and pure goon doesnt beat jans or abus.

Isnt it better then to just spam jan abus in colonial?

[_venox_]

Upgraded units, better shipments, access to new units e.g. spahi or mameluke for a later timing.

[yurashic]

Dont ff vs French, you give them time and masses are about the same strength when your timing hits.

Do jan/abus in colonial. Correct play from French is 8 bow + mm + vills and 10-15 cav before adding raxes. Just make sure you dont overcommit as Ottomans.

[Jaeger]

Dont ff vs French, you give them time and masses are about the same strength when your timing hits.

Do jan/abus in colonial. Correct play from French is 8 bow + mm + vills and 10-15 cav before adding raxes. Just make sure you dont overcommit as Ottomans.

Idk semi ff sounds a lot better than musk huss

[Kaiserklein]

Yeah if you manage to huss semi fast and safely enough vs jan abus, it's way better than a musk/cav, since abus/jan is a much better composition than musk/cav. But that's a risky bet, you might age up too late to hold his push if you are housed or needed bows + mm etc

[Garja]

just go straight ff with tower and 1 tp, make full goons while shipping skirms and aging with skirms. It's kinda sucky strat but vs otto you gonna lose if do anything else.

[jsimons1289]

Childish and rude.

He started to be childish and rude without any sense. I played some games with that guy and i had him on my friends list, one day he pested me without any reasons and told me he doesnt like me in the game and in the forum too. So i want be rude now

I think he does that a lot to be fair.

[[Armag] diarouga]

This MU is quite ok for france.
They can beat a jan/abus on a high ressources map. The real problem is the 400w (tp+rax) ff. They have to semi for goons and then that's about raids and micro.

[Marco1698]

This MU is quite ok for france.
They can beat a jan/abus on a high ressources map. The real problem is the 400w (tp+rax) ff. They have to semi for goons and then that''s about raids and micro.

I watched a game where h2o went ff 400w and he built two houses and 1 rax. It''s preferable replace the houses with the tp so?

[[Armag] diarouga]

This MU is quite ok for france.
They can beat a jan/abus on a high ressources map. The real problem is the 400w (tp+rax) ff. They have to semi for goons and then thats about raids and micro.

I watched a game where h2o went ff 400w and he built two houses and 1 rax. Its preferable replace the houses with the tp so?

Yeah.

[Hagi]

Regarding this MU, I find this game from Umeu very informative. Texas map though.

[video src="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mq1wXRkfJC0"][/video]

[koenigerik1]

dude u can just win with jans abu' fre can''t have the mass to defend that ottimass.. when u play jans abu u dont have to fight vills, just stop em from gathering. that means u push all the time ( abus have more range then everything fre can just do in age 2). when fre attacks u with vills and stuff u just go bk so he lose eco ( u always lose eco when u fight with vills, i hope its logic for u - so just do when u rly need to to dont get motherfucked). then u do the same shit again, push him all time.. after some time fre won''t get out much and u can just age or push or pikerush his tc if u wanna do so

[[Armag] diarouga]

Hally was terrible in this game, on this map just ff with 400w for 2nd tp+up the road and send silkroad instead of 700w. If you play in age 2 then add abus meh
Btw, I like interjection as a live caster but tbh his videos from recs are bad, he misses so many things...

[[Armag] diarouga]

dude u can just win with jans abu' fre cant have the mass to defend that ottimass.. when u play jans abu u dont have to fight vills, just stop em from gathering. that means u push all the time ( abus have more range then everything fre can just do in age 2). when fre attacks u with vills and stuff u just go bk so he lose eco ( u always lose eco when u fight with vills, i hope its logic for u - so just do when u rly need to to dont get motherfucked). then u do the same shit again, push him all time.. after some time fre wont get out much and u can just age or push or pikerush his tc if u wanna do so

Jan/abus is definitely better than musk/huss even if most fre manage to outplay by raiding or fighting with vills but Im not sure about jan/abus vs semi 5 huss. Ff wins anyway.

[rsy]

So if u see the otto going ff with 2 tps do u semi and then full cuir dragoon?

[britishmusketeer]

So if u see the otto going ff with 2 tps do u semi and then full cuir dragoon?

no full dragoon skirm with 2 cannons to counter his cannons.