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_venox_ · Post by **_venox_** » 12 Oct 2015, 00:26

On Tuesday? Why not just later this Monday?

gibson · Post by **gibson** » 12 Oct 2015, 00:33

kaiserklein wrote:
gibson wrote:its just Dutch has to invest at least 1.2k resources into banks as well as a shipment which any other civ can use for army and banks take forever to pay off. And were talking about pure age 2 play so going 3 isnt really relevant. The only way dutch can win is to just completely out micro the Russian player.
The dutch can just outboom the russ in middle game, lets say around 8-15 min I guess. After that the russ might catch up with eco but its too late. Ofc when he starts making 2-3 banks, he has a very weak army. So what ? on a map with hunts, what is the russian guy going to do against a dutch turtling ? All the dutch needs is 5 huss or even some skirms inside of the turtle. The russ cant commit under the tc. And then around 10 min the dutch can push out and he will have the micro advantage using skirms range. And if he can take the map its gg. Except its a map with a bunch of tps and food like high plains, I cant see how the russian guy would win it

Russia has such a army advantage at like 6 or 7minutes that they can literally just idle dutch indefinitely and your not gonna be able to get out full batches with 3 banks....

momuuu · Post by **momuuu** » 12 Oct 2015, 00:39

gibson wrote:
kaiserklein wrote:The dutch can just outboom the russ in middle game, lets say around 8-15 min I guess. After that the russ might catch up with eco but its too late. Ofc when he starts making 2-3 banks, he has a very weak army. So what ? on a map with hunts, what is the russian guy going to do against a dutch turtling ? All the dutch needs is 5 huss or even some skirms inside of the turtle. The russ cant commit under the tc. And then around 10 min the dutch can push out and he will have the micro advantage using skirms range. And if he can take the map its gg. Except its a map with a bunch of tps and food like high plains, I cant see how the russian guy would win it
Russia has such a army advantage at like 6 or 7minutes that they can literally just idle dutch indefinitely and your not gonna be able to get out full batches with 3 banks....

Im just sitting here wondering if you have played more than 5 games in this mu.

zoom · Post by **zoom** » 12 Oct 2015, 00:54

Don't! Go to bed instead, son...

_venox_ · Post by **_venox_** » 12 Oct 2015, 01:35

Same is true for you Zoo, pal...

zoom · Post by **zoom** » 12 Oct 2015, 02:18

Adults stay up. Eat dikks. Make money.

fei123456 · Post by **fei123456** » 12 Oct 2015, 02:27

why should age 2 dutch beat age 2 russia? they even dont have musk.

Mitoe · Post by **Mitoe** » 12 Oct 2015, 02:34

paul wrote:why should age 2 dutch beat age 2 russia? they even dont have musk.

Neither does Russia

gibson · Post by **gibson** » 12 Oct 2015, 02:40

jerom wrote:
gibson wrote:Russia has such a army advantage at like 6 or 7minutes that they can literally just idle dutch indefinitely and your not gonna be able to get out full batches with 3 banks....
Im just sitting here wondering if you have played more than 5 games in this mu.

iv played it several time recently and won as Russia with relative ease.... Next time I see you online lets play it and if dutch stays age 2 Russia wins easy

illmatic · Post by **illmatic** » 12 Oct 2015, 02:45

why is this even an argument if dutch best option is to go age3

gibson · Post by **gibson** » 12 Oct 2015, 03:09

illmatic wrote:why is this even an argument if dutch best option is to go age3

That''s what I''m sayin..... Russia is a better civ than Dutch and Dutch age 2 is inferior to Dutch agethree......Dutch is a bottom tier civ and people are talking like an inferior way to play them is good smfh

_venox_ · Post by **_venox_** » 12 Oct 2015, 03:31

Situational, not totally inferior.

[Armag] diarouga · Post by **[Armag] diarouga** » 12 Oct 2015, 05:14

gibson wrote:
diarouga wrote:No, its not.
And dutchs age 2 is better than russians
my ass. Pike skirm huss looses to stre musk Cossack especially once boyars gets in.

Nope, russian musk are terrible, he basically doesnt have anti cav.

gibson · Post by **gibson** » 12 Oct 2015, 05:20

diarouga wrote:
gibson wrote:my ass. Pike skirm huss looses to stre musk Cossack especially once boyars gets in.
Nope, russian musk are terrible, he basically doesnt have anti cav.

Yea theyre shit they loose to hussar hard, but Id take Russia musks over pikes any day of the week

_DB_ · Post by **_DB_** » 12 Oct 2015, 05:52

diarouga wrote:
gibson wrote:my ass. Pike skirm huss looses to stre musk Cossack especially once boyars gets in.
Nope, russian musk are terrible, he basically doesnt have anti cav.

Arent dutch pikes more terrible than russian musk after your shipment gets killed?

Dutch shouldnt beat Russia unless they are behind wall. Without wall skirm pike huss lose to musk strelet cossack.

The only advantage does have is the 20 range skirm and their early eco. Russian late age 2 eco is insane. The only thing Dutch can do is something like 10 skirm/8 pike semi behind a wall imo.

gibson · Post by **gibson** » 12 Oct 2015, 05:57

Yea unless the Dutch player just completely out micros the Russia player Idk how Russia can win.... Maybe doing a timing push full hussar with like 10 skirm in the back could win idk

Mitoe · Post by **Mitoe** » 12 Oct 2015, 06:26

Outmicroing Russia isn't hard once you realize none of their units can be microed

thebritish · Post by **thebritish** » 12 Oct 2015, 09:49

gibson wrote:
ovi12 wrote:and vills dont cost food, and they both play turtly
But Dutch vils cost coin and India ones cost wood.... Also, Dutch has to play turtly because theyll loose if they dont. India doesnt have to. They can start super aggressive and then boom hard. They actually have a viable and good age 2 while Dutch age 2 is an auto loose in most mus....

https://youtu.be/TnSQRJiAl9s?t=240

momuuu · Post by **momuuu** » 12 Oct 2015, 11:27

Going colonial doesnt mean you wont ever age to fortress, it just means you wont semi. It works decently, because your opponent has to pressure you, and then gets completely annihilated by a superior army with mm and tc fire. At around 7-8 minutes, its entirely possible the dutch player has a stronger army.

Garja · Post by **Garja** » 12 Oct 2015, 12:28

Russian musket are not terrible btw, they're even slightly more cost effective than normal musks.
Russia beat Dutch.

[Armag] diarouga · Post by **[Armag] diarouga** » 12 Oct 2015, 12:36

garja wrote:Russian musket are not terrible btw, they''re even slightly more cost effective than normal musks.
Russia beat Dutch.

No.

gibson · Post by **gibson** » 12 Oct 2015, 12:43

jerom wrote:Going colonial doesnt mean you wont ever age to fortress, it just means you wont semi. It works decently, because your opponent has to pressure you, and then gets completely annihilated by a superior army with mm and tc fire. At around 7-8 minutes, its entirely possible the dutch player has a stronger army.

the original starter of this discussion said that age 2 Dutch > Russia so no age 3 is irrelevant.... Yea i mean if the Russia player messes up Dutch could win, but every mu is like that lol

momuuu · Post by **momuuu** » 12 Oct 2015, 13:14

gibson wrote:
jerom wrote:Going colonial doesnt mean you wont ever age to fortress, it just means you wont semi. It works decently, because your opponent has to pressure you, and then gets completely annihilated by a superior army with mm and tc fire. At around 7-8 minutes, its entirely possible the dutch player has a stronger army.
the original starter of this discussion said that age 2 Dutch > Russia so no age 3 is irrelevant.... Yea i mean if the Russia player messes up Dutch could win, but every mu is like that lol

I am not sure that is true, as russia still has to pressure. They dont know that Dutch is staying colonial.

gibson · Post by **gibson** » 12 Oct 2015, 13:50

jerom wrote:
gibson wrote: the original starter of this discussion said that age 2 Dutch > Russia so no age 3 is irrelevant.... Yea i mean if the Russia player messes up Dutch could win, but every mu is like that lol
I am not sure that is true, as russia still has to pressure. They dont know that Dutch is staying colonial.

whats not true?

thebritish · Post by **thebritish** » 12 Oct 2015, 14:01

jerom wrote:
gibson wrote: the original starter of this discussion said that age 2 Dutch >' Russia so no age 3 is irrelevant.... Yea i mean if the Russia player messes up Dutch could win, but every mu is like that lol
I am not sure that is true, as russia still has to pressure. They dont know that Dutch is staying colonial.

Dutch mostly stays age II and ages if the need veteran upgrades + upgrade cards from age III.
They have alot of cards to use before they can start using some cards from age III.

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