Dutch vs Iro

[yemshi]

Well, they are fast and with 2 banks+ they can even gather some res. Ofc they lose.

[fei123456]

dutch can MMMMIIIIICCCCCRRRROOOO and win
anyway, 4 kanya first is not a good choice. cuz dutch age up fast too. when your horse reach his base, his 4-5 hussar is about to come out. tpboom into a timing is better. dont build the warhut too forward, or dutch will kite you a lot with their annoying skirmishers. do a timing with tons of units, put all toma into melee, attack move and win.

Tp boom is an option but there is absolutely no way the dutch can have 5huss when your kanyas arrive.
You have 4 cav in his base at 4:30-5min and his huss come out around 5:40-6min, since you raid him, he likely wont have more than 3 huss.

are you joking? iro can not reach age 2 before 3:40. and a card needs 40s. its 4:20 then. so your 4 kanya needs 10 seconds only to run from your base to his? and also i said his hussar is ABOUT to come out. its the fact.

[[Armag] diarouga]

Tp boom is an option but there is absolutely no way the dutch can have 5huss when your kanyas arrive.
You have 4 cav in his base at 4:30-5min and his huss come out around 5:40-6min, since you raid him, he likely wont have more than 3 huss.

are you joking? iro can not reach age 2 before 3:40. and a card needs 40s. its 4:20 then. so your 4 kanya needs 10 seconds only to run from your base to his? and also i said his hussar is ABOUT to come out. its the fact.

you get your kanyas at 4:20, well lets say at 4:40 youre in his base.

[fei123456]

are you joking? iro can not reach age 2 before 3:40. and a card needs 40s. its 4:20 then. so your 4 kanya needs 10 seconds only to run from your base to his? and also i said his hussar is ABOUT to come out. its the fact.

you get your kanyas at 4:20, well lets say at 4:40 youre in his base.

yeah its the ideal situation. but iro only have 2 food crate and 5 vills, and without some food treasure it will be 3:50 or even 4:00. if iro can age up at 3:40, dutch can reach age 2 in 4:10 too.

[[Armag] diarouga]

you get your kanyas at 4:20, well lets say at 4:40 youre in his base.

yeah its the ideal situation. but iro only have 2 food crate and 5 vills, and without some food treasure it will be 3:50 or even 4:00. if iro can age up at 3:40, dutch can reach age 2 in 4:10 too.

Yes, and with a decent macro they both do lol.

[Method_man714]

I can't believe this, I have a problem and I ask for help, and you all take the piss, why am I trolling by Asking an honest question. Btw i followed your advice, and I ff vs Dutch, but they just made halbs and killed my manlets and my rams, there no point making kanyes cause they have Ruyters and they have so many, also they get cannons in age 3 and I don't which is really unfair, can't wait for the patch, cause hopefully Dutch won't be as op. Anyone can help me in age 3? Should I have gone tomahawks? They seem okay but they are naked, so on maps like Siberia they might freeze to death, not sure, please no hate just help

[[Armag] diarouga]

I can''t believe this, I have a problem and I ask for help, and you all take the piss, why am I trolling by Asking an honest question. Btw i followed your advice, and I ff vs Dutch, but they just made halbs and killed my manlets and my rams, there no point making kanyes cause they have Ruyters and they have so many, also they get cannons in age 3 and I don''t which is really unfair, can''t wait for the patch, cause hopefully Dutch won''t be as op. Anyone can help me in age 3? Should I have gone tomahawks? They seem okay but they are naked, so on maps like Siberia they might freeze to death, not sure, please no hate just help

Err, on the patch dutch will be buffed and iro nerfed
Why do you ff? I can''t see the point, either semi or commit in age2 which is th easiest choice.

[Marco1698]

I wouldn't do a straight ff. I would go 10-15 skirms (probably I have to send also 8 pikes because of Kanya) then, age up

[Wuangaga]

I wouldn''t do a straight ff. I would go 10-15 skirms (probably I have to send also 8 pikes because of Kanya) then, age up

Iro doesn''t have skirms in age 2 tho...

[princeofkabul]

If i were u i would FF and send halb mercs to kill the banks and tc while mass mantlets sponge the skirm fire.

[yemshi]

I wouldnt do a straight ff. I would go 10-15 skirms (probably I have to send also 8 pikes because of Kanya) then, age up

Iro doesnt have skirms in age 2 tho...

And again: We talking about Dutch,

[Wuangaga]

Iro doesnt have skirms in age 2 tho...

And again: We talking about Dutch,

Diarouga talked about the options iro has, Marco talked about dutch. Youre wrong this time.

[yemshi]

I am?

[[Armag] diarouga]

Nope, marco is.

[yemshi]

I am confused.

[Jaeger]

I can''t believe this, I have a problem and I ask for help, and you all take the piss, why am I trolling by Asking an honest question. Btw i followed your advice, and I ff vs Dutch, but they just made halbs and killed my manlets and my rams, there no point making kanyes cause they have Ruyters and they have so many, also they get cannons in age 3 and I don''t which is really unfair, can''t wait for the patch, cause hopefully Dutch won''t be as op. Anyone can help me in age 3? Should I have gone tomahawks? They seem okay but they are naked, so on maps like Siberia they might freeze to death, not sure, please no hate just help

But that is why you need to resch industrial as quickly as you can on siberia so that your units get a bump in clothes and dont freeze to death

[billybadass1991]

lmao best thread ever

[Method_man714]

I cant believe this, I have a problem and I ask for help, and you all take the piss, why am I trolling by Asking an honest question. Btw i followed your advice, and I ff vs Dutch, but they just made halbs and killed my manlets and my rams, there no point making kanyes cause they have Ruyters and they have so many, also they get cannons in age 3 and I dont which is really unfair, cant wait for the patch, cause hopefully Dutch wont be as op. Anyone can help me in age 3? Should I have gone tomahawks? They seem okay but they are naked, so on maps like Siberia they might freeze to death, not sure, please no hate just help

But that is why you need to resch industrial as quickly as you can on siberia so that your units get a bump in clothes and dont freeze to death

They should make it so Iro and Russia in a 2v2 the strelets give their warm coats to the Tomas and receive half the hp but the Tomas get a small hp boost

[Wuangaga]

I am confused.

Marco is wrong and you''re wrong about me being wrong.

[Marco1698]

I wouldnt do a straight ff. I would go 10-15 skirms (probably I have to send also 8 pikes because of Kanya) then, age up

Iro doesnt have skirms in age 2 tho...

lol trolling me? I mean Dutch has to make 15 skirms not iro

[Wuangaga]

Iro doesnt have skirms in age 2 tho...

lol trolling me? I mean Dutch has to make 15 skirms not iro

This matchup was discussed on the iro side not for dutch. Of course you rather want to ff as iro.

[gibson]

#kanye2020

[Wuangaga]

#kanye2020

We should all do iro mirrors the day this happens.

[yurashic]

5v -> 600 w -> 4 k -> 7 a -> right click TC.

[gibson]

5v -> 600 w -> 4 k -> 7 a -> right click TC.

But Dutch send pike which kill all my kanyes and make skirm which kill all else