Dutch FF/Semi vs Brit? (nilla)

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With the annoying possibility that they will mass longbows, do you think that a Dutch ff/semi ff huss cannon with some skirm would be the best option?
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arriah wrote:With the annoying possibility that they will mass longbows, do you think that a Dutch ff/semi ff huss cannon with some skirm would be the best option?

its a very hard match up for dutch, i like the huss cannon with some skirm combo idea but you need 3 production facilities aswell as the vet huss upgrade which is alot of wood however it may be the best combo vs lb pike but when starts mixing huss, i think 9 ruyter plus 5 from stable would be enough for a short while, if musk huss then just ruyter skirm or ruyter cannon. Hope this helped
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Very helpful, thank you! :D
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Very hard MU for dutch? Not at all, they win easy, cav start, if he goes age 2 add some skirm and ship 8pikes=>gg
The only viable strat for brit is the semi ff, then follow him age 3 and try to snipe his falcs, if you can, you've won.
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diarouga wrote:Very hard MU for dutch? Not at all, they win easy, cav start, if he goes age 2 add some skirm and ship 8pikes=>gg
The only viable strat for brit is the semi ff, then follow him age 3 and try to snipe his falcs, if you can, you''ve won.



Hmm... It''s probably me but my Eco goes slower when I do an early cav start. I get my first 5 cav out just before 6 mins and usually ship 8 pike. However, if they are like the lts I played vs team earlier they will have units to counter. Then their lb mass grows exponentially while they boom no problem , and I''m stuck investing most all of my res into cav only to have them killed before they reach longbow. This is really the only match up I''ve had problems with, other than a surpise Otto ff with spahi :P
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diarouga wrote:Very hard MU for dutch? Not at all, they win easy, cav start, if he goes age 2 add some skirm and ship 8pikes=>gg
The only viable strat for brit is the semi ff, then follow him age 3 and try to snipe his falcs, if you can, you''ve won.

really? brit has better eco and musk and longbow, and dutch? they dont even have musk.
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diarouga wrote:Very hard MU for dutch? Not at all, they win easy, cav start, if he goes age 2 add some skirm and ship 8pikes=>gg
The only viable strat for brit is the semi ff, then follow him age 3 and try to snipe his falcs, if you can, you''ve won.

it is hard for dutch brits boom harder and have a very good age 2 combo as lbs beat skirms plus they can semi ff too
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We're talking about nilla guys, not TAD, on TAD I agree it isn't even close.
@Arriah When I say cav start, I mean build a 2nd bank with 400w and your stable with 700w. Vs brit you should always send 600w after 700w imo, unless they go for a crazy all in start. 8pikes is your 3rd or 4th age 2 shipment (i like 4v on greedy maps) but only send it if you're playing in age 2.
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diarouga wrote:We''re talking about nilla guys, not TAD, on TAD I agree it isn''t even close.
@Arriah When I say cav start, I mean build a 2nd bank with 400w and your stable with 700w. Vs brit you should always send 600w after 700w imo, unless they go for a crazy all in start. 8pikes is your 3rd or 4th age 2 shipment (i like 4v on greedy maps) but only send it if you''re playing in age 2.



Thank you, I will definitely try this ^.^
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diarouga wrote:We''re talking about nilla guys, not TAD, on TAD I agree it isn''t even close.
@Arriah When I say cav start, I mean build a 2nd bank with 400w and your stable with 700w. Vs brit you should always send 600w after 700w imo, unless they go for a crazy all in start. 8pikes is your 3rd or 4th age 2 shipment (i like 4v on greedy maps) but only send it if you''re playing in age 2.

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hazza54321 wrote:
diarouga wrote:Were talking about nilla guys, not TAD, on TAD I agree it isnt even close.
@arriah When I say cav start, I mean build a 2nd bank with 400w and your stable with 700w. Vs brit you should always send 600w after 700w imo, unless they go for a crazy all in start. 8pikes is your 3rd or 4th age 2 shipment (i like 4v on greedy maps) but only send it if youre playing in age 2.
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diarouga wrote:Very hard MU for dutch? Not at all, they win easy, cav start, if he goes age 2 add some skirm and ship 8pikes=>'gg
The only viable strat for brit is the semi ff, then follow him age 3 and try to snipe his falcs, if you can, you''ve won.
sure u even played that mu? if brit plays it good, dutch won''t win.. we can just go play it later if ya want :P
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koenigerik1 wrote:
diarouga wrote:Very hard MU for dutch? Not at all, they win easy, cav start, if he goes age 2 add some skirm and ship 8pikes=>'gg
The only viable strat for brit is the semi ff, then follow him age 3 and try to snipe his falcs, if you can, youve won.
sure u even played that mu? if brit plays it good, dutch wont win.. we can just go play it later if ya want :P
I played this MU as brit on the fp and dutch did quite well, and fps dutch arent better than nillas dutch.
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diarouga wrote:
koenigerik1 wrote:sure u even played that mu? if brit plays it good, dutch wont win.. we can just go play it later if ya want :P
I played this MU as brit on the fp and dutch did quite well, and fps dutch arent better than nillas dutch.

vs adderbrain?
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hazza54321 wrote:
diarouga wrote:I played this MU as brit on the fp and dutch did quite well, and fps dutch arent better than nillas dutch.
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But mitoe's dutch is OP.

I am pretty sure semi ff is impossible vs longbow pike unless his hunts are so bad that you can force him to stay at home. Id try colonial play vs that for sure.

Vs some coin strat from the brit player, Id either huss semi or 5 huss 10 skirm 8 pike semi if he plays it out somewhat aggressively.
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Vs colo play you have to play in age2 yeah.
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jerom wrote:But mitoe''s dutch is OP.

I am pretty sure semi ff is impossible vs longbow pike unless his hunts are so bad that you can force him to stay at home. Id try colonial play vs that for sure.

Vs some coin strat from the brit player, Id either huss semi or 5 huss 10 skirm 8 pike semi if he plays it out somewhat aggressively.



I''m still having trouble with this. Now that I''m playing with lts more and a lot of players are Brit it''s frustrating. They boom so fast and seem to train inf much faster. I can make lot of skirms fast but if they do lb we lose it seems, even if we have a French caving. Then they can send like 100 units up at 8 mins while also having 100 settlers already. (Maybe an exaggeration but only slight!) Help me :c

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