How strong is the India 10/10?

_DB_ · Post by **_DB_** » 24 Oct 2015, 07:08

Here I'm assuming 10/10 strategy as an age up without making any villagers in age 1, no matter you rush or not.

I assume the slow agra to be a strategy where you age up with 14-15 villagers and go very slowly.

The main difference between the two builds is the speed.

Here are my opinions about their advantages and disadvantages-

10/10 -

Advantages:

1) Very aggressive. You can hit your enemy around 5th minute or before.
2) Your agra is very forward and you can take map control and force your opponent to starve.
3) You can hurt and harass your enemy's economy from very early, forcing him to make mistakes in his build.
4) You can still have a good economy because you still have the potential to boom.

Disadvantages:

1) You cannot often afford a TP or market upgrades during aging.
2) You will have 3-4 less villagers
3) On many maps you do not have your age 2 shipment ready as soon you age, which slows your aggression.
4) You are not guaranteed to get 5 units out of your agra.
5) It is harder to change your unit composition.
6) Sometimes you start with only 300 wood and your build becomes 9/10.

Non-10/10/Slow Agra:

Advantages:

1)Very boomy. You get a great eco in mid-game.
2)You can afford a TP or market upgrades during aging.
3)You will have more villagers than that of 10/10 build.
4)You can still take map control vs most civs.
5)It is easier to adapt to different strategies.

Disadvantages:

1)Your speed of age up is very slow, you can not age up before 5th minute. Sometimes it even takes 5.20 or 5.30.
2)You still can not be very aggressive. If you still decide to rush, you can not outrush a French double musk musk xbow timing.
3)You can not take map control vs an Indian player who did 10/10 against you. Your enemy has the potential to starve you.
4)You are likely to lose to most semi FF because you can't age to age 3 without neglecting your eco cards.
5)You are not guaranteed to have 5 units out immediately.
6)You can not prepare a timing push or aggression while being boomy.

Please share your opinions and give your pros, cons and differentiation between these two builds.

yemshi · Post by **yemshi** » 24 Oct 2015, 07:36

The CoupRider BO is so scary...

Aizamk · Post by **Aizamk** » 24 Oct 2015, 07:55

You absolute FOOL. Why would you India 10/10 when you can use ports?

Mr_Bramboy · Post by **Mr_Bramboy** » 24 Oct 2015, 09:35

It depends on the civ. The india 10/10 is mediocre, however the ports 10/10 is absolutely overpowered on most RE maps.

fei123456 · Post by **fei123456** » 24 Oct 2015, 09:40

it depends on the map. if india can get enough treasure 10/10 will be scary. or mass cows.

lesllamas · Post by **lesllamas** » 24 Oct 2015, 09:51

aizamk wrote:You absolute FOOL. Why would you India 10/10 when you can use ports?

Some people like a challenge. It''s pretty BM to lame ports 10/10 TBH IMHO.

Hazza54321 · Post by **Hazza54321** » 24 Oct 2015, 10:11

10/10 is shit, you can cut a couple of vills an 13/20 and age slightly later with a shipment ready and get all first tier market ups whilst aging and still get at least 4 sepoy out

fei123456 · Post by **fei123456** » 24 Oct 2015, 11:08

hazza54321 wrote:10/10 is shit, you can cut a couple of vills an 13/20 and age slightly later with a shipment ready and get all first tier market ups whilst aging and still get at least 4 sepoy out

nope. slow agra usually reach age 2 at 5:00. but with treasures a 10/10 can reach age 2 before 4:00 and still get 12 sepoy in the first batch. it''s just unstoppable. otto iro can''t deal with it if they make any mistake.
yeah ofc a 10/10 can not be that fast in every game. that''s why i say it depends on the map.

fei123456 · Post by **fei123456** » 24 Oct 2015, 11:18

10/10 is powerful on these maps:
poor hunt maps: sonora, yukon, patagonia, borneo. just build agra forward and win. your opponent sometimes don't even have enough food to age up lol.
cow maps: painted desert, mongolia. with cows you can always get your fast card early. you can either 5-4 rush or 600w 300e eco play.
treasure maps: yukon, yukatan, himalayas. with 100f 100w 100g 100xp 95w or even 225f you can reach age 2 vvveeerrryy early and still train 4-5 in the first batch. that's really crazy.
crate maps: hispaniola, deccan, carolina. no need to explain.

so we can see, on many RE maps 10/10 is available. and WHEN WILL THE NEW FP RELEASE! I hate those shitty maps!

fei123456 · Post by **fei123456** » 24 Oct 2015, 11:19

oh i forgot araucania. it is both low hunt map and herb map AND treasure map. imagine india has 20 lhama at home, age up at 3:50 with forward agra, have 12 sepoy in your base at 5:00, and you don't have hunt at home: god knows how to win?

Hazza54321 · Post by **Hazza54321** » 24 Oct 2015, 11:32

paul wrote:
hazza54321 wrote:10/10 is shit, you can cut a couple of vills an 13/20 and age slightly later with a shipment ready and get all first tier market ups whilst aging and still get at least 4 sepoy out
nope. slow agra usually reach age 2 at 5:00. but with treasures a 10/10 can reach age 2 before 4:00 and still get 12 sepoy in the first batch. its just unstoppable. otto iro cant deal with it if they make any mistake.
yeah ofc a 10/10 can not be that fast in every game. thats why i say it depends on the map.

if you cut a couple of vills you age at like 4:45

[Armag] diarouga · Post by **[Armag] diarouga** » 24 Oct 2015, 12:08

hazza54321 wrote:
paul wrote:nope. slow agra usually reach age 2 at 5:00. but with treasures a 10/10 can reach age 2 before 4:00 and still get 12 sepoy in the first batch. its just unstoppable. otto iro cant deal with it if they make any mistake.
yeah ofc a 10/10 can not be that fast in every game. thats why i say it depends on the map.
if you cut a couple of vills you age at like 4:45

Yep, basically 20 sec later than a 10/10 with a TP etc.
On no hunt maps the 10/10 is strong tho.

Jaeger · Post by **Jaeger** » 24 Oct 2015, 12:17

paul wrote:
hazza54321 wrote:10/10 is shit, you can cut a couple of vills an 13/20 and age slightly later with a shipment ready and get all first tier market ups whilst aging and still get at least 4 sepoy out
nope. slow agra usually reach age 2 at 5:00. but with treasures a 10/10 can reach age 2 before 4:00 and still get 12 sepoy in the first batch. its just unstoppable. otto iro cant deal with it if they make any mistake.
yeah ofc a 10/10 can not be that fast in every game. thats why i say it depends on the map.

lol omg otto and iro rape the shit out of 10/10 with zero problems

_DB_ · Post by **_DB_** » 24 Oct 2015, 12:19

ovi12 wrote:
paul wrote:nope. slow agra usually reach age 2 at 5:00. but with treasures a 10/10 can reach age 2 before 4:00 and still get 12 sepoy in the first batch. its just unstoppable. otto iro cant deal with it if they make any mistake.
yeah ofc a 10/10 can not be that fast in every game. thats why i say it depends on the map.
lol omg otto and iro rape the shit out of 10/10 with zero problems

Yep. Otto and iro rekts 10/10. It is just like otto mirror where you dont have abus.

Marco1698 · Post by **Marco1698** » 24 Oct 2015, 13:39

It is okay/strong. More okay than strong tbh

gibson · Post by **gibson** » 24 Oct 2015, 13:50

Standard play is better in like 95% of situations..... Maybe on a livestock non tp low hunt map where you get a food treasure it's good, but most of the time not. For sure not good on most esoc maps and balanced standard maps.

_DB_ · Post by **_DB_** » 24 Oct 2015, 16:31

10/10 should be viable in mirror imo. I've saw H2O doing 10/10 vs Mayhem in India mirror....

[Armag] diarouga · Post by **[Armag] diarouga** » 24 Oct 2015, 16:54

subzero wrote:10/10 should be viable in mirror imo. I''ve saw H2O doing 10/10 vs Mayhem in India mirror....

Nope it isn''t, he was probably testing something.

mnogud · Post by **mnogud** » 24 Oct 2015, 16:57

diarouga wrote:
subzero wrote:10/10 should be viable in mirror imo. Ive saw H2O doing 10/10 vs Mayhem in India mirror....
Nope it isnt, he was probably testing something.

the map was deccan i think, so they could

[Armag] diarouga · Post by **[Armag] diarouga** » 24 Oct 2015, 17:27

Oh yeah, on deccan/hispa/caro 10/10 is best since you don't have any iddle time.

gibson · Post by **gibson** » 24 Oct 2015, 18:16

A 10/10 on a mirror would be suicide if it isn't a map where you start with extra resources.....

_DB_ · Post by **_DB_** » 25 Oct 2015, 04:49

mnogud wrote:
diarouga wrote:Nope it isnt, he was probably testing something.
the map was deccan i think, so they could

No. It was Yukon.

_DB_ · Post by **_DB_** » 25 Oct 2015, 04:51

diarouga wrote:Oh yeah, on deccan/hispa/caro 10/10 is best since you don''t have any iddle time.

On deccan and carolina I actually like to 10/10 with TP. It can even convert your build into FF.

On hispa 10/10 without sending 1st trickle works. You just age at like 3.25-3.30 when you don''t even have 2nd shipment ready, so it doesn''t make sense to 10/10 if you can''t rush on hispa, so I like to cancel 1st shipment and directly sending an age 2 military shipment. Is it viable?

[Armag] diarouga · Post by **[Armag] diarouga** » 25 Oct 2015, 06:35

Yeah on hispa don t send the wood trickle.
On caro I tried to take a tp age1 but didn't work

Imo you should just 10/10.

_DB_ · Post by **_DB_** » 25 Oct 2015, 06:51

diarouga wrote:Yeah on hispa don t send the wood trickle.
On caro I tried to take a tp age1 but didn''t work Imo you should just 10/10.

What to do on yellow river? You get extra food and you can''t really place the agra forward easily. What should you do? 10/10 or slow?

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