Russian timing/defence against timings guide

[Hazza54321]

Somppukunkku we summon you here!

lol why? i guess he needs all the help he can get jk <3 u somppu

[deleted_user0]

#prayforRussia

[Hazza54321]

#prayforRussia

dw this guide will get you to pr50 in no time

[tedere12]

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[yurashic]

Watch his stream. twitch.tv/quinine

not something special imo lain world is better

I thought you got the joke.

[r4go]

Yeah that's the most std build xD, you should do it in most of the games indeed.
I also like the cheese rush since it will force your opponent to play age2 in some MUs.
I alsl like the water boom but people don't like it.
Others BO you forgot are timings without 5coss like spice trade/700w/5coss etc.
A BO I tried recently which seems very good is age up with 500f and go 700w/700g/5coss. You have like 40musk+5coss at 8min.

I use this start of 500f, but i can't feel a big difference....but maybe i do some mistakes, can we play a game you show me this start? ?

[r4go]

it was only one build order, i can do more if you want

Do do do

[Marco1698]

Yeah that's the most std build xD, you should do it in most of the games indeed.
I also like the cheese rush since it will force your opponent to play age2 in some MUs.
I alsl like the water boom but people don't like it.
Others BO you forgot are timings without 5coss like spice trade/700w/5coss etc.
A BO I tried recently which seems very good is age up with 500f and go 700w/700g/5coss. You have like 40musk+5coss at 8min.

I use this start of 500f, but i can't feel a big difference....but maybe i do some mistakes, can we play a game you show me this start? ?

Why would you 500f if with 400w you can build some houses and make also one strelet batch? 500f just got spent with 3v and 5 musk/10 strelet, food you have already from aging. You don't really have to age up with 500f imo,but we could do some testing on eso whenever you are free my dear

[r4go]

Yeah that's the most std build xD, you should do it in most of the games indeed.
I also like the cheese rush since it will force your opponent to play age2 in some MUs.
I alsl like the water boom but people don't like it.
Others BO you forgot are timings without 5coss like spice trade/700w/5coss etc.
A BO I tried recently which seems very good is age up with 500f and go 700w/700g/5coss. You have like 40musk+5coss at 8min.

I use this start of 500f, but i can't feel a big difference....but maybe i do some mistakes, can we play a game you show me this start? ?

Why would you 500f if with 400w you can build some houses and make also one strelet batch? 500f just got spent with 3v and 5 musk/10 strelet, food you have already from aging. You don't really have to age up with 500f imo,but we could do some testing on eso whenever you are free my dear

Is not a bad idea 500f, you have a better mass, if you go musk, and you have all the woods to make house from the card in age 1 (affluss), i mean it will give you a lot of help to get 100w...the problem for me is: when use it, vs who....and i do some mistake

[Wuangaga]

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Yeah that's the most std build xD, you should do it in most of the games indeed.
I also like the cheese rush since it will force your opponent to play age2 in some MUs.
I alsl like the water boom but people don't like it.
Others BO you forgot are timings without 5coss like spice trade/700w/5coss etc.
A BO I tried recently which seems very good is age up with 500f and go 700w/700g/5coss. You have like 40musk+5coss at 8min.

I use this start of 500f, but i can't feel a big difference....but maybe i do some mistakes, can we play a game you show me this start? ?

Why would you 500f if with 400w you can build some houses and make also one strelet batch? 500f just got spent with 3v and 5 musk/10 strelet, food you have already from aging. You don't really have to age up with 500f imo,but we could do some testing on eso whenever you are free my dear

Is not a bad idea 500f, you have a better mass, if you go musk, and you have all the woods to make house from the card in age 1 (affluss), i mean it will give you a lot of help to get 100w...the problem for me is: when use it, vs who....and i do some mistake

You have to get the market and the upgrades from somewhere too though.

[Hazza54321]

the 500f build is good for getting both units and vills out continously, however it does sacrifice an early tp

[Marco1698]

the 500f build is good for getting both units and vills out continously, however it does sacrifice an early tp

is tp good as russian, really?

[Hazza54321]

yep

[A_Klaut]

Thanks for the write-up, very helpful for people like me trying to improve with russia when it seems like they struggle on new EP maps.

[farran34]

the 500f build is good for getting both units and vills out continously, however it does sacrifice an early tp

Yea the 500fd build can be quite nice when your opponent's hunts are not great (more for re maps). With 500fd start you can get 5 musk 5 musk batches out and villagers with no idle, and sending 5 coss 4 coss behind it is a scary rush to hold. Main problem is if you don't damage hard and/or happen to mess up and lose most of your army, you are pretty much screwed since you dont get to make a market for quite sometime (if you send 5coss 4 coss) which Russia depends on for steel traps.

[Hazza54321]

the 500f build is good for getting both units and vills out continously, however it does sacrifice an early tp

Yea the 500fd build can be quite nice when your opponent's hunts are not great (more for re maps). With 500fd start you can get 5 musk 5 musk batches out and villagers with no idle, and sending 5 coss 4 coss behind it is a scary rush to hold. Main problem is if you don't damage hard and/or happen to mess up and lose most of your army, you are pretty much screwed since you dont get to make a market for quite sometime (if you send 5coss 4 coss) which Russia depends on for steel traps.

yeah you cant really get early tp and market if 500f age up, but as you said it allows consistent 5/5/5 batches with vills. i wouldnt recomend going 5/4 coss though, as you need 700w first for housing and infastructure and market ups

[Hazza54321]

Thanks for the write-up, very helpful for people like me trying to improve with russia when it seems like they struggle on new EP maps.

no problem buddy, am willing to do more writeups, and maybe even practice in games if you want, my eso is hazza54321

[farran34]

the 500f build is good for getting both units and vills out continously, however it does sacrifice an early tp

Yea the 500fd build can be quite nice when your opponent's hunts are not great (more for re maps). With 500fd start you can get 5 musk 5 musk batches out and villagers with no idle, and sending 5 coss 4 coss behind it is a scary rush to hold. Main problem is if you don't damage hard and/or happen to mess up and lose most of your army, you are pretty much screwed since you dont get to make a market for quite sometime (if you send 5coss 4 coss) which Russia depends on for steel traps.

yeah you cant really get early tp and market if 500f age up, but as you said it allows consistent 5/5/5 batches with vills. i wouldnt recomend going 5/4 coss though, as you need 700w first for housing and infastructure and market ups

You should be able to get away without sending 700wd after 5 cossack in terms of housing (you chop 100wd-200wd during transition extra for housing depending on treasures), but yes if you want a market, tp/s, stable, or another blockhouse you need the 700wd. If I do 500fd age up though I prefer to do it to for the purpose to rush really hard, and I think going 5/5/5 muskets 5 cossack 4 cossack while still maintaining constant vill production is the best way to do a really hard russia rush. In this case I would rather have the 4 cossack for continuing pressure rather than the market and blockhouse I would probably use to add, and if I wanted to add those earlier I would probably just age 400wd.

[[Armag] diarouga]

With 500f age up you have to send 700w 1st or that's pointless.

[farran34]

With 500f age up you have to send 700w 1st or that's pointless.

I think you are probably right, I just meant if you want to go for the hardest rush for russia, 500fd will get you the most units out and you wont lose villager production. On ESOC maps vs top players I don't see many (or almost any) good situations to utilize 500fd for a hard rush, as it forces you to push them rather than mass since you wont have a market for quite some time and will fall behind economically unless they are idle in tc.

500f age up sending 700wd is an interesting BO I haven't tested much, is it for a timing push?

[[Armag] diarouga]

With 500f age up you have to send 700w 1st or that's pointless.

I think you are probably right, I just meant if you want to go for the hardest rush for russia, 500fd will get you the most units out and you wont lose villager production. On ESOC maps vs top players I don't see many (or almost any) good situations to utilize 500fd for a hard rush, as it forces you to push them rather than mass since you wont have a market for quite some time and will fall behind economically unless they are idle in tc.

500f age up sending 700wd is an interesting BO I haven't tested much, is it for a timing push?

50musk+9coss at 8:30.

[r4go]

With 500f age up you have to send 700w 1st or that's pointless.

I think you are probably right, I just meant if you want to go for the hardest rush for russia, 500fd will get you the most units out and you wont lose villager production. On ESOC maps vs top players I don't see many (or almost any) good situations to utilize 500fd for a hard rush, as it forces you to push them rather than mass since you wont have a market for quite some time and will fall behind economically unless they are idle in tc.

500f age up sending 700wd is an interesting BO I haven't tested much, is it for a timing push?

50musk+9coss at 8:30.

can you show me this strategy??whit a rec game?? <3 <3 <3

[britishmusketeer]

With 500f age up you have to send 700w 1st or that's pointless.

I think you are probably right, I just meant if you want to go for the hardest rush for russia, 500fd will get you the most units out and you wont lose villager production. On ESOC maps vs top players I don't see many (or almost any) good situations to utilize 500fd for a hard rush, as it forces you to push them rather than mass since you wont have a market for quite some time and will fall behind economically unless they are idle in tc.

500f age up sending 700wd is an interesting BO I haven't tested much, is it for a timing push?

50musk+9coss at 8:30.

I really doubt you get that many units at that time

[Hazza54321]

so do i, 700w 5 coss 4 coss is 3 shipments which is about 830, how can you afford 50musk without a crate shipment

[farran34]

so do i, 700w 5 coss 4 coss is 3 shipments which is about 830, how can you afford 50musk without a crate shipment

I haven't tested the build but there is no way I can think of he can get 50 musk without sending 700gd or 700fd. He would need to gather 2810 food 930 gold not counting villager production and resources for market ups. If I am wrong pls show me build because I would like to use that haha...