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Yes I reached fortress at that time. It isn't really going to enough buffer to compensate for the lack of cannons and less shipments. Even if you hold (which means he probably didn't commit entirely into sieging your base) you're in the backfoot from the start. And it is actually harder to break his position rather than killing him when he comes at your base.
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Unless you kill his forward tower early it's pretty hard to beat this vs a decent player imo. No doubt people have better builds than me, but I went naked FF for blackriders vs Kakasuma or whatever his name is the other day. He killed my TC before I even managed to get them out. Even if my macro / BO was better, he has so many shipments from tower that it's so hard to beat the Spain combo (unless you over commit Piroshiki style)
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If you do naked ff...ur up 1 ship before him but ull have to wait for ur second, he won't. So he can cone with free pike, rax musk, cannons, or wait for an extra shipment.
I think people in this topic are seriously underestimating the speed of the ff, and forward tower, and frequency of Spain shipments
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iamsoldier wrote:If you do naked ff...ur up 1 ship before him but ull have to wait for ur second, he won''t. So he can cone with free pike, rax musk, cannons, or wait for an extra shipment.
I think people in this topic are seriously underestimating the speed of the ff, and forward tower, and frequency of Spain shipments.
And I feel like people are really underestimating German''s eco and composition vs the Spanish FF. Also this is why you should almost always TP start in age 1 vs Spain, regardless of crate start. Even if you have to age with 18v it''s fine, it doesn''t slow down your fortress time at all, and it''s not like it''ll make holding a rush that much harder vs Spain.
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But anyway, why not just make a rax and kill tower before they age to 3? Then its a ff battle with no early pressure
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iamsoldier wrote:But anyway, why not just make a rax and kill tower before they age to 3? Then its a ff battle with no early pressure
Because then you have useless pikes or dopps?
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mitoe wrote:
wickedcossack wrote:Cause then you really really really would have no infastrcuture. ')

The 400wd is neccessary if youre not sending 700wd. You only need one production facility and use the shipments to complement your army composition.
Idk. Ive never really used the 700c FF before, it just feels bad IMO :P Spain will probably be ahead in eco if you dont ship 3 SW, no? Unless theyre going really all in with their FF. Also, as soon as you manage to get 1-2 batches out from your 2nd military building, even if you aged a minute later, youre going to be ahead of the 700c FF by miles.
I mentioned it before ITT, but have you tried 700w FF?

Or maybe you guys thought I meant 3sw 700w. What I meant was 700w.
As in, 500f politician and send 700w, gather everything for age up and go fast age. Its the fastest FF Germans have unit-wise and I think it would hard counter Spains all in timing. Havent tested though, and iirc 700c 700w holds too.
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mitoe wrote:
iamsoldier wrote:But anyway, why not just make a rax and kill tower before they age to 3? Then its a ff battle with no early pressure
Because then you have useless pikes or dopps?
Nothing is useless, but the point is you deny his quick pressure, which is the only thing that makes Spain tough for ger. After you get some time, ya, ship br and skirm and spam ww, you win
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mitoe wrote:
iamsoldier wrote:But anyway, why not just make a rax and kill tower before they age to 3? Then its a ff battle with no early pressure
Because then you have useless pikes or dopps?


Is having spare anti-cav ever really useless?
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Nah u cant pick off the falcs without losing much. Rods will eat the ww and uhlans while lancer kill skirs if ww go for falcs. Sure falcs die but u lose all amd then spain remaxes faster cuz ships
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What is the best Spain ff to counter Germany? Do you age qith 15v or 16v? Do you ship 5v?
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12v Halb ff the mofo

Well maybe not, but fast 15v 6 rod 8 rod 2 can should do. Make 5 rod 5 dog, rape first shipment with 19 rod 4 huss and 5 dog. What can they do
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halb ff is terrible, u can have the same exactt effect with normal shipments. And you make useful units.
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Twass a joke
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Ye but ppl actually do that
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hm I tried 16v age up with early market its only like 15 secs slower but you have 1 more vill and a market,
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If 15v is properly done it is 15 into 16 age and it hits at 7.05 instead of 16 into 18 which hits at 7.35 or 16 into 19 which hits at 7.45-55

30 sec is alot of time and can make the difference between winning pressure or losing.
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garja wrote:Ye but ppl actually do that


Because its so much fun if it works!
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1.train 4-5 dopple to siege the front tower. send 3sw-700g-exalted prince
2.age up with 400w, build 2 tp, send 700g and age up fast. chop for a stable
3.age up with 500f, send 700w and age up fast. 700w for a stable, 3 houses, and veteran uhlan upgrade.
i dont think germ should build up a market and go for steel trap in this MU. Because spain always has worth eco. and german units dont cost much food, compared to musk/huss combo.
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Do any PR35 ish+ players volunteer to play this matchup so we can all find out the truth and settle this thread :D?
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ovi12 wrote:Do any PR35 ish+ players volunteer to play this matchup so we can all find out the truth and settle this thread :D?
Spain loses every match up in this game. That should settle this thread lol.
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Nope
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Port, probably Russia too
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somppukunkku wrote:
ovi12 wrote:Do any PR35 ish+ players volunteer to play this matchup so we can all find out the truth and settle this thread :D?
Spain loses every match up in this game. That should settle this thread lol.

Your Spain maybe lol
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