Piroshiki FF

[Method_man714]

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This is bad.

Wow great post

Not much more to say about this strat lol

Typical forum elitism, how can you consider "This is bad" to be constructive criticism?

Because its a terrible strategy is most cases, and people shouldnt be led to believe it is decent.

[Aizamk]

I will use piro ff to rek u skrubs...

[thebritish]

I will use piro ff to rek u skrubs...

atm i am developing strategy how to beat it (counter it)

[[Armag] diarouga]

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It is bad that's all. Don't do it is the only advice I can give you.

I had briefly said somewhere that it is important for a new player to familiarize themselves with alot of strategies. It is important to have this build somewhere because it is something that a player could play against. This strategy is good against players who do not prepare for the timing, and knowing the build and timings can help you prepare.

Only 1 player does it and 15v age up is as fast but you have 5 more vills+ 8more pikes, so what's the point to prepare vs this build but not vs the standard all in?

no.
how do you have 5 more vill 8 more pike? you have 15+2 and piro has 12+2. and he can send 8 pike before age 3 too.
also a colonial push wont have lancer and cannon lol.

That's not true, he goes 12+0 and if he doesn't get the early tp (75% of the game since 66%+no tp maps) he can not send 8pikes.

[[Armag] diarouga]

If Piro can win games, it shouldnt be too bad

Piro has a high(ish) pr (33) and a low(ish) 1v1 elo (2100). And he doesn't play team. Basically means that he wins (relatively for his pr) alot vs lower level players and loses (relatively for his pr) alot vs higher level players. This means that his build can win alot of games at a lower level, but will never work vs a higher level player in the long run with the exception of imbalanced RE maps. That is the definition of a bad build imo.

Exactly. 2100 is a major elo (rank isn t relevant, the more you play, the higher you are, even if you're bad). And he wins because majors/lt co are bad and his bo surprises. Boneng and aizamk are trolling a lot more and are pr37-38 xD.

[thebritish]

If Piro can win games, it shouldnt be too bad

Piro has a high(ish) pr (33) and a low(ish) 1v1 elo (2100). And he doesn't play team. Basically means that he wins (relatively for his pr) alot vs lower level players and loses (relatively for his pr) alot vs higher level players. This means that his build can win alot of games at a lower level, but will never work vs a higher level player in the long run with the exception of imbalanced RE maps. That is the definition of a bad build imo.

Exactly. 2100 is a major elo (rank isn t relevant, the more you play, the higher you are, even if you're bad). And he wins because majors/lt co are bad and his bo surprises. Boneng and aizamk are trolling a lot more and are pr37-38 xD.

How does boneng trolls ( uses weird builds) ?

[[Armag] diarouga]

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If Piro can win games, it shouldnt be too bad

Piro has a high(ish) pr (33) and a low(ish) 1v1 elo (2100). And he doesn't play team. Basically means that he wins (relatively for his pr) alot vs lower level players and loses (relatively for his pr) alot vs higher level players. This means that his build can win alot of games at a lower level, but will never work vs a higher level player in the long run with the exception of imbalanced RE maps. That is the definition of a bad build imo.

Exactly. 2100 is a major elo (rank isn t relevant, the more you play, the higher you are, even if you're bad). And he wins because majors/lt co are bad and his bo surprises. Boneng and aizamk are trolling a lot more and are pr37-38 xD.

How does boneng trolls ( uses weird builds) ?

He goes for FI or no vill rushes every games?
In a final of a 2650$ tournament, he went for a 8min age up as brit, he went 20 manors and water boom lol. How isn't it a troll build?

[Hazza54321]

If Piro can win games, it shouldnt be too bad

Piro has a high(ish) pr (33) and a low(ish) 1v1 elo (2100). And he doesn't play team. Basically means that he wins (relatively for his pr) alot vs lower level players and loses (relatively for his pr) alot vs higher level players. This means that his build can win alot of games at a lower level, but will never work vs a higher level player in the long run with the exception of imbalanced RE maps. That is the definition of a bad build imo.

Exactly. 2100 is a major elo (rank isn t relevant, the more you play, the higher you are, even if you're bad). And he wins because majors/lt co are bad and his bo surprises. Boneng and aizamk are trolling a lot more and are pr37-38 xD.

bit naiive to say lt cols and major are noobs

[KINGofOsmane]

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If Piro can win games, it shouldnt be too bad

Piro has a high(ish) pr (33) and a low(ish) 1v1 elo (2100). And he doesn't play team. Basically means that he wins (relatively for his pr) alot vs lower level players and loses (relatively for his pr) alot vs higher level players. This means that his build can win alot of games at a lower level, but will never work vs a higher level player in the long run with the exception of imbalanced RE maps. That is the definition of a bad build imo.

Exactly. 2100 is a major elo (rank isn t relevant, the more you play, the higher you are, even if you're bad). And he wins because majors/lt co are bad and his bo surprises. Boneng and aizamk are trolling a lot more and are pr37-38 xD.

bit naiive to say lt cols and major are noobs

hazza op

[SoldieR]

Piro's start really doesn't have anything to do with opponents skill level, whatsoever.

Its a cheese build. It's a build where, after the game, you want a re and want to destroy him because now you know his strats, and why it works.

It relies on his opponent not knowing the correct way to counter it (killing his tower).

You could be PR 40 and never see it coming, and lose. You can also be PR 20 and study his build a lot, and win.

[thebritish]

Piro's start really doesn't have anything to do with opponents skill level, whatsoever.

Its a cheese build. It's a build where, after the game, you want a re and want to destroy him because now you know his strats, and why it works.

It relies on his opponent not knowing the correct way to counter it (killing his tower).

You could be PR 40 and never see it coming, and lose. You can also be PR 20 and study his build a lot, and win.

You only need to kill his tower to win?

[SoldieR]

That essentially wins it. It's up to each player's style of what to do from there. Whether you did a 10 musk semi, or an age 2 - 2 rax musk spam and spread units to surround and so cannons don't do much, or if you want to stay age 2 and also include 2 groups of Cav flanking, or if ur spain, dog flank.

A lot work from there, he is quite poor at micro, so wait til his pike go in to siege and just flank. Or make him chase you behind tc then pop MM to kill falcs.

[SoldieR]

Piro's start really doesn't have anything to do with opponents skill level, whatsoever.

Its a cheese build. It's a build where, after the game, you want a re and want to destroy him because now you know his strats, and why it works.

It relies on his opponent not knowing the correct way to counter it (killing his tower).

You could be PR 40 and never see it coming, and lose. You can also be PR 20 and study his build a lot, and win.

You only need to kill his tower to win?

And BTW - if you were trying to be a sarcastic dweeb, I didn't say you win, I said to counter it.
PS: this topic is not about how to counter it; it's about how to execute it. PM someone if you want the aforementioned.

[thebritish]

Piro's start really doesn't have anything to do with opponents skill level, whatsoever.

Its a cheese build. It's a build where, after the game, you want a re and want to destroy him because now you know his strats, and why it works.

It relies on his opponent not knowing the correct way to counter it (killing his tower).

You could be PR 40 and never see it coming, and lose. You can also be PR 20 and study his build a lot, and win.

You only need to kill his tower to win?

And BTW - if you were trying to be a sarcastic dweeb, I didn't say you win, I said to counter it.
PS: this topic is not about how to counter it; it's about how to execute it. PM someone if you want the aforementioned.

No, i was serious when i asked that.

[musketjr]

In my view, the FF of which counsel speaks is not only irregular but also dangerous and frankly cannot subsist within a decent, morally-upright society such as ours. For this reason alone I grant the motion to have this presentation ["the FF"] rescinded from the record. Durokan, you will appear before a panel of your peers to defend what you have done - it is directed. Forum-posters dismissed.

[[Armag] diarouga]

In my view, the FF of which counsel speaks is not only irregular but also dangerous and frankly cannot subsist within a decent, morally-upright society such as ours. For this reason alone I grant the motion to have this presentation ["the FF"] rescinded from the record. Durokan, you will appear before a panel of your peers to defend what you have done - it is directed. Forum-posters dismissed.

Musket!

[Durokan]

In my view, the FF of which counsel speaks is not only irregular but also dangerous and frankly cannot subsist within a decent, morally-upright society such as ours. For this reason alone I grant the motion to have this presentation ["the FF"] rescinded from the record. Durokan, you will appear before a panel of your peers to defend what you have done - it is directed. Forum-posters dismissed.

Why does nobody ever read the first sentence of my posts D:

For reference

"*original write-up by bugattivitesse but was lost in site migration*"

I wrote nothing in this guide.

[britishmusketeer]

In my view, the FF of which counsel speaks is not only irregular but also dangerous and frankly cannot subsist within a decent, morally-upright society such as ours. For this reason alone I grant the motion to have this presentation ["the FF"] rescinded from the record. Durokan, you will appear before a panel of your peers to defend what you have done - it is directed. Forum-posters dismissed.

lmao

[Hazza54321]

If Piro can win games, it shouldnt be too bad

Piro has a high(ish) pr (33) and a low(ish) 1v1 elo (2100). And he doesn't play team. Basically means that he wins (relatively for his pr) alot vs lower level players and loses (relatively for his pr) alot vs higher level players. This means that his build can win alot of games at a lower level, but will never work vs a higher level player in the long run with the exception of imbalanced RE maps. That is the definition of a bad build imo.

Exactly. 2100 is a major elo (rank isn t relevant, the more you play, the higher you are, even if you're bad). And he wins because majors/lt co are bad and his bo surprises. Boneng and aizamk are trolling a lot more and are pr37-38 xD.

2100 is major?

[thebritish]

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If Piro can win games, it shouldnt be too bad

Piro has a high(ish) pr (33) and a low(ish) 1v1 elo (2100). And he doesn't play team. Basically means that he wins (relatively for his pr) alot vs lower level players and loses (relatively for his pr) alot vs higher level players. This means that his build can win alot of games at a lower level, but will never work vs a higher level player in the long run with the exception of imbalanced RE maps. That is the definition of a bad build imo.

Exactly. 2100 is a major elo (rank isn t relevant, the more you play, the higher you are, even if you're bad). And he wins because majors/lt co are bad and his bo surprises. Boneng and aizamk are trolling a lot more and are pr37-38 xD.

2100 is major?

i doubt that 2100 is major ELO

[britishmusketeer]

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If Piro can win games, it shouldnt be too bad

Piro has a high(ish) pr (33) and a low(ish) 1v1 elo (2100). And he doesn't play team. Basically means that he wins (relatively for his pr) alot vs lower level players and loses (relatively for his pr) alot vs higher level players. This means that his build can win alot of games at a lower level, but will never work vs a higher level player in the long run with the exception of imbalanced RE maps. That is the definition of a bad build imo.

Exactly. 2100 is a major elo (rank isn t relevant, the more you play, the higher you are, even if you're bad). And he wins because majors/lt co are bad and his bo surprises. Boneng and aizamk are trolling a lot more and are pr37-38 xD.

2100 is major?

2200 is major imo

[momuuu]

2100 is indeed captain rank. 2000 1st lt I think and 2200 major. Might be that low major is like 2150. Seems pretty easy. Wonder if its that consistent (100 points per rank) at other levels.

[fei123456]

piroshiki is 2100elo now but he reached 2500 before.

[[Armag] diarouga]

Yeah when boneng who s 2k3 was 2k7 and naga who s 2k5 was 2k9 lol.

[KINGofOsmane]

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If Piro can win games, it shouldnt be too bad

Piro has a high(ish) pr (33) and a low(ish) 1v1 elo (2100). And he doesn't play team. Basically means that he wins (relatively for his pr) alot vs lower level players and loses (relatively for his pr) alot vs higher level players. This means that his build can win alot of games at a lower level, but will never work vs a higher level player in the long run with the exception of imbalanced RE maps. That is the definition of a bad build imo.

Exactly. 2100 is a major elo (rank isn t relevant, the more you play, the higher you are, even if you're bad). And he wins because majors/lt co are bad and his bo surprises. Boneng and aizamk are trolling a lot more and are pr37-38 xD.

2100 is major?

so harry pr37 comfirmed!