how to play sioux mirror

fei123456 · Post by **fei123456** » 17 May 2015, 19:32

is rafuuuu god
we both train bow riders. when i stay at home, he collects treasures all the map. when i go out to collect treasure, he will be in my base raiding my vills in 10 seconds. when i go raids him, his army must be right there waiting for me
what's the best bo in this MU? age up fast 700g? or 4 axe?

aoefan4life · Post by **aoefan4life** » 17 May 2015, 19:50

I wouldn't ship any melee cav in age 2 at all. Bow riders kill them to fast.

edehollandsbrother · Post by **edehollandsbrother** » 17 May 2015, 20:07

Yeah and age up with 400w, sioux don't have a shipment ready when fast aged anyway so it's pointless.

fei123456 · Post by **fei123456** » 17 May 2015, 20:08

aoefan4life wrote:I wouldn''t ship any melee cav in age 2 at all. Bow riders kill them to fast.

i wont send 4 axe either, but this shipment is not totally useless. in early age2 there wont be mass bow riders, and 4 axe can help you raid more efficiently, or get treasures.

fei123456 · Post by **fei123456** » 17 May 2015, 20:16

edehollandsbrother wrote:Yeah and age up with 400w, sioux don''t have a shipment ready when fast aged anyway so it''s pointless.

i used to chop wood to have market up and hunting dog in age 1 and age up with 16 vills instead. as sioux mirror usually finishes in age 2, the messenger is always better i think.

Jaeger · Post by **Jaeger** » 17 May 2015, 22:40

paul wrote:
edehollandsbrother wrote:Yeah and age up with 400w, sioux dont have a shipment ready when fast aged anyway so its pointless.
i used to chop wood to have market up and hunting dog in age 1 and age up with 16 vills instead. as sioux mirror usually finishes in age 2, the messenger is always better i think.

get market and hunting dogs in age 1 or in transition, make 2 stables from 400w and send 4v 700g 600g then bow rider upgrades. This is what blackstar did in tournament.

rsy · Post by **rsy** » 17 May 2015, 22:59

i think 400 wood age up is the best option here

i think there are three possible options here:
1)double stable timing with the 4 vills, 700 g and 600 g at nearly 8 minutes so u have more bowriders on a map where u both have good hunts.
2)a tp and a stable with starting 4 axes and 5 bowriders on a map where the opponent doesn't have good hunts. U are aiming to kill off the bowirders with the extra power you have while raiding his food so he can't get more than 2-3 bowriders after his first batch.
3)a variation to the second bo where you fast age if you get good wood treasure and xp treasure early and can build a stable easily. in this case forget about the market just go all in with 4 axes and constant 5 brs even if the opponent has good hunts. he just won't be able to get out the first five bow riders if u raid him well.

deleted_user0 · Post by **deleted_user0** » 18 May 2015, 02:13

paul wrote:is rafuuuu god
we both train bow riders. when i stay at home, he collects treasures all the map. when i go out to collect treasure, he will be in my base raiding my vills in 10 seconds. when i go raids him, his army must be right there waiting for me
what''s the best bo in this MU? age up fast 700g? or 4 axe?

Thats cuz he maphax

Also just bow pike rush. Ez win

bart331 · Post by **bart331** » 18 May 2015, 10:53

Wuuuut,

He is a genuinely skillfull player according to my book, with supernatural forces

Post by **edeholland** » 18 May 2015, 13:12

You can spam from 2 stables with vill and gold shipments

bart331 · Post by **bart331** » 18 May 2015, 14:19

Ye 2 stable > 1 stable

Garja · Post by **Garja** » 18 May 2015, 14:30

You can only spam from 2 stables with 700g 600g as first 2 cards. Which is infact the standard build for that strat.
I don't exactly remember why but I recall the mirror being about 1 stable fast age or 1 stable 400w age up. 2 stables wasn't the best.

Goes to show that even the most straight forward mirror matchup can have various options and people didn't figure them out yet.

bart331 · Post by **bart331** » 18 May 2015, 14:51

Sioux mirror is bullshit vs bullshit, who wants to play that for fun?

SoldieR · Post by **SoldieR** » 19 May 2015, 03:08

Its pretty fun and usually lot of fast action

fei123456 · Post by **fei123456** » 19 May 2015, 03:51

shoud i defend at home mainly, or raid him more?
fast age or 400w? 1stable or 2? 4 vills or 700g, or even 4axe?
rafuu used to age up fast and send 4axe first. i dont prefer that but its useful in early age2 indeed.
i dont mean he maphack cuz i dont have any evidence and im only a pr30 noob. but rafuuu really knows everything. cant understand that.

fei123456 · Post by **fei123456** » 19 May 2015, 08:47

umeu wrote:
paul wrote:is rafuuuu god
we both train bow riders. when i stay at home, he collects treasures all the map. when i go out to collect treasure, he will be in my base raiding my vills in 10 seconds. when i go raids him, his army must be right there waiting for me
whats the best bo in this MU? age up fast 700g? or 4 axe?

Thats cuz he maphax

Also just bow pike rush. Ez win

i dont mean he maphacks cuz i dont have any evidence. besides, is bow club rush available in sioux mirror? or if we both spam bow riders, should i defend mainly, or raid him more? age up fast or 400w, which is the better choice?

edehollandsbrother · Post by **edehollandsbrother** » 19 May 2015, 09:42

If you age up fast you will have to gather 400w for two stables and won't have much food or gold to make bowriders. You also won't have a shipment ready. The net effect is that you are just as slow as with 400w ageup but with a much smaller first batch of br.

fei123456 · Post by **fei123456** » 19 May 2015, 09:55

edehollandsbrother wrote:If you age up fast you will have to gather 400w for two stables and won''t have much food or gold to make bowriders. You also won''t have a shipment ready. The net effect is that you are just as slow as with 400w ageup but with a much smaller first batch of br.

why should i build 2 stables in early age 2? i can send 700g 4vills or 7 clubs, and chop a little for the 2nd stable later.

Jaeger · Post by **Jaeger** » 19 May 2015, 12:12

paul wrote:
edehollandsbrother wrote:If you age up fast you will have to gather 400w for two stables and wont have much food or gold to make bowriders. You also wont have a shipment ready. The net effect is that you are just as slow as with 400w ageup but with a much smaller first batch of br.
why should i build 2 stables in early age 2? i can send 700g 4vills or 7 clubs, and chop a little for the 2nd stable later.

You should go 2 stable from 400w because if you age with 400w, make market in age 1 or transition, and ship 4v 700g 600g, you will be able to make more than 5 bow riders every batch for some time.

Garja · Post by **Garja** » 19 May 2015, 12:29

4v 700g 600g is an ugly build

KINGofOsmane · Post by **KINGofOsmane** » 19 May 2015, 19:53

deleted_user wrote:do blackstar''s build in the ASC tourney finals. I believe he did double stable 7600g,600g??

He shiped vills before coin as i remember

Jaeger · Post by **Jaeger** » 20 May 2015, 18:09

garja wrote:4v 700g 600g is an ugly build

What do you mean it''s ugly, and what build is better than that?

Garja · Post by **Garja** » 20 May 2015, 18:22

700g 600g 4v?

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