Japan heavenly Kami?

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Is it better to ship 2 vills or 3 ships before shipping heavenly kami?
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no.
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zutazuta wrote:no.
Watch that recorded game I posted. The guy who did that vs me seemed to have a stronger eco.
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just havely kami first
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shirine wrote:just havely kami first
You notice that while you''re ageing you do get another shipment that you can''t use until you age up. That extra eco boost almost seems worth it.
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Send kami, then, age2 you'll send 4vills if you want to boom, that's better than 2vills^^

Vs iro, 3boats is better than kami imo, since you won't shrine boom.
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diarouga wrote:Send kami, then, age2 you''ll send 4vills if you want to boom, that''s better than 2vills^^

Vs iro, 3boats is better than kami imo, since you won''t shrine boom.
Good idea. Thanks for that viewpoint.
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Oh, how this discussion had changed <3
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this is probably the 20th time a thread of this nature has come up haha
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Well, this thread is from the pre-EP era. 2v first is a reaction to greedy semi-ff EP builds. On RE other civs don't have that kind of luxury and Japan is better off shrining the opponent's hunts, or shipping CM in a matchup where they might be rushed. 2v is probably still good on RE since Japanese players - the nationality, not the civ - were doing it years ago, but it's certainly better on EP.
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Kami gives you more eco (enough to hold any rush if you wall), so it was "safer" in the pre EP meta. You'd just yumi/wall, hold the rush, outboom, outscale and win eventually. On EP, the jap FI builds are nerfed by 1000 exp (which is really huge, it's one age 4 shipment), and people go for some stagecoach semi builds instead of rushing, and kami is too slow to punish the greedy fb with stagecoach.
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kami first card is still better than 2v+kami.
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Ye, if you send 2v skip kami ofc.
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[Armag] diarouga wrote:Ye, if you send 2v skip kami ofc.
What about skipping a consulate to make a trading post so you can get both?
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ye but then you dont have port cons discount for age up and shrines.
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Trade post- 300 wood- for an extremely agressive build
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dansil92 wrote:Trade post- 300 wood- for an extremely agressive build

I rather say flexible i mean u could even follow up with kami afterwards
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007Salt wrote:
[Armag] diarouga wrote:Ye, if you send 2v skip kami ofc.
What about skipping a consulate to make a trading post so you can get both?
Never send kami without port consulate...
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[Armag] diarouga wrote:
007Salt wrote:
[Armag] diarouga wrote:Ye, if you send 2v skip kami ofc.
What about skipping a consulate to make a trading post so you can get both?
Never send kami without port consulate...
Okay
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[Armag] diarouga wrote:Never send kami without port consulate...
No exceptions?
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No. 2v is always better without Port consulate.

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