how to beat a chinese rush?

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Lately if ve played some games as french and otto against some1 playin chinese.. i ecpected him to ff but he rushed me with natives and pikes.. he choose the native post where u can train ratan shields on silkroad.. however he rushed me and i had no idea how to deal with it.. what shall i do ?
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muskhuss > cavpike(bow)
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Lol, so easy to hold.
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Ye since im a noob compared to you guys it wasn t easy for me.. he was easily able to spam way faster than me and i tried tp hit and run but his units were way faster.. he also was able to keep me of rescources easily.. so musk huss should work? What is the card order for french then 3cdb/700w/3husor700g?
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3cdb/700w/4cdb/8 crossbowmen and push right in the ?
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garjafan wrote:make 6 layers of wall and u win


First card stronger walls then tho
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Please be nice to low players too, we were all once noobs and most of us still are. ^_^
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incog wrote:Please be nice to low players too, we were all once noobs and most of us still are. ^_^
Grunt wasn''t a noob since he just log for 1? time. Btw china mass is good, so it''s hard for you to hold the rush. Just go musk huss as french ye. As otto, i think you don''t need that civ to hold a chinese rush. Otto iro russian have rush more dangerous than chinese rush.
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500f for op flamethrower in china mirror
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lol, since when they cost food?
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marco1698 wrote:
incog wrote:Please be nice to low players too, we were all once noobs and most of us still are. ^_^
Grunt wasnt a noob since he just log for 1? time. Btw china mass is good, so its hard for you to hold the rush. Just go musk huss as french ye. As otto, i think you dont need that civ to hold a chinese rush. Otto iro russian have rush more dangerous than chinese rush.

never heard chinese "Rush" is hard to hold for fre lols
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Guys all people from the community use this site, let's try to be constructive with the comments. This player is clearly having some problems with a China rush.

Generally with France collect 125w in age up to age 2, once you have the 125w your split of villagers should be 7 food 7 gold (depending on treasures you get you may need more on food). You should get a market age 1 if you age with 14 vills and get hunting dogs, and in age up you need to get placer mines too (so 200w in transition in total, but you send placer mines whilst aging). The 125w can then be used for steel traps on age up, 400w from age up for a stable and a rax, and ship wood for your population / second rax.

The thing with China is that they have a decent composition - effectively you're forced to make more than one unit type. If you struggle with the micro (e.g. your huss die too easily to their pike), then you may want to adapt the build to make 2x rax with your 400w from age up. You could go xbow / musk as this will save you some of the possible micro problems you may be having.

Best thing to do is upload some recs. I don't mind taking a look and giving you a few tips if you like.
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Against real rush you can just skip steel traps for a little bit and build a house with it' you still have the option to get later on (though map dependent).
With the 50 pop you are able to lose a house/faster/saver 8xbow out.
Also the 125 coin still does matter.
It's dependent of the rush.
If it's a 700w/600w rush do it imo.
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yemshi wrote:Against real rush you can just skip steel traps for a little bit and build a house with it' you still have the option to get later on (though map dependent).
With the 50 pop you are able to lose a house/faster/saver 8xbow out.
Also the 125 coin still does matter.
It''s dependent of the rush.
If it''s a 700w/600w rush do it imo.
Come on we''re talking about china''s rush not a real rush.
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I don't think you need to skip the steel traps. You can still get max units out and it helps your eco. You don't gain anything by skipping it.

Lower level players can work on their early building placement, card order and villager distribution. This is always standard up to at least the first batch of units. Thereafter it can change depending on what civ you're playing and the strat you're playing against.

Yes if you're PR 40+ then a musk huss defence is fine. If you're PR 22 this is not as easy. Stop thinking that everyone can play this game as a high level player, and help players make step change improvements in their game, rather than asking them to do something that the best players do straight away.
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more limes
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The China rushes i have played against usually die if you can get your mass out faster than theirs and be aggressive. Kill their batches 1 at a time. I find that as Russia, the 5 and 4 cossack shipments will wreck anything China has out at that time.
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I've played this guy before to try to get some free 1v1 elo. He always plays on silk road so the options for natives are ratten shield or charim. If its ratten shield all you have to as french is make 5 musk, send 8 xbow and you win. If its charim its a little bit harder because they are pretty efficent against infantry. I would suggest sending 3 hussar, using some musk and tc fire or minutemen to focus down pike then just use three hussar to kill charim. Then make a few more hussar and spam musk. Not to hard to stop if you know how.
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I am impressed, Mortalru. Ottomans and French having a hard time holding against a Chinese rush is quite the accomplishment.

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