Russian early market?

[bugattivitesse]

Sometimes with Russia, especially on GPs, if i start with 100 wood and 100 gold, i build a market, gather a quick coin treasure, and trade for wood to get my house. France does this a lot, but is it worth it for Russia in age 1? Or should your VS be spent all on food?

[yemshi]

All on food. The market won't save any ressources and only delay your ageup. Viable for a 17/20 though.

[fei123456]

on EP this should be good. on RE it may delay your aging up and you have to age up 17p, but if you can get some food treasure too/good herding, and has 600+ food after the 3rd vill batch, just do it.

[Hazza54321]

Can only really do this on ep and 200w start if u wanna 14v

[Darwin_]

Market is kinda useless IMO. If you want more eco, just build it during transition instead of on 400/700w. I think that I tp is more valuable for Russia than an early market, just because it keeps your tempo up and allows you to ship boyars earlier for a better timing against some civs.

[__Uhlan__]

Not worth it, delaying your age up as Russia is just so bad.

[Gendarme]

Why is everyone assuming he is going 14v?

[__Uhlan__]

Why is everyone assuming he is going 14v?

Becuase 17 in 1v1 is just generally bad imo, depends what civ your playing against.

[Hazza54321]

11 vill op though

[Gendarme]

Delete one and 10/10; no need to waste 100w on a house. Kill 1 vill (100f), save 100w - worth.

[tedere12]

its not worth it even with 17/20 it delays ur age up a lot

[bugattivitesse]

Why is everyone assuming he is going 14v?

Actually in my last game i did this with 14 vils and it worked OK, but now i realize that was because i picked up the 140 food treasure.

[Kaiserklein]

It just depends on the start and the treasures. Market works only on 200w 600f and 100w 100g 600f starts. With only 500f, you're too slow, and without extra wood/gold crate it's ofc not possible either.
Then, on those 2 starts, if you have (almost) enough gold (50g on 200w start, 75g on 100w 100g start) in treasures, it means you only have to chop 50w and then I would definitely go market. If you have a 40-50w treasure, it ofc works too. You're gonna get hunt dogs pretty early, so the 50w you had to chop will be compensated by hunt dogs. That way you will not age late, and you will have a better eco.
Ah and on EP it's ofc easier thanks to cheaper vils, but it also works on RE with good macro

[WickedCossack]

Yea always market when you can as russia. You need the right crate start + complementing starting treasure but it actually happens fairly often tbh. With 14 vil ofc. 17 vil is for fortress/tp/fish builds.

[Garja]

17v is probably very good now with Russia buff. 19.5v, market+TP and a BH ready at 5.20 it's a very good start to play boomy/reactionary vs most civs.

[Darwin_]

Yeah 17v can work against some civs, but aging 50 seconds earlier is very useful in most matchups. You would only do 17v against like japan or something.

[lemmings121]

Yeah 17v can work against some civs, but aging 50 seconds earlier is very useful in most matchups. I would only do 17v against like japan or something.

uhmmm probably japan is the last civ I would 17v against... idk if russ can keep up with eco without pushing early

[Darwin_]

Yeah 17v can work against some civs, but aging 50 seconds earlier is very useful in most matchups. I would only do 17v against like japan or something.

uhmmm probably japan is the last civ I would 17v against... idk if russ can keep up with eco without pushing early

Yeah you're probably right. I have seen some people say that you need to age against them (which I personally dont agree with, you should just rush them every time), and you can get away with 17v if you age.

[lemmings121]

Yeah 17v can work against some civs, but aging 50 seconds earlier is very useful in most matchups. I would only do 17v against like japan or something.

uhmmm probably japan is the last civ I would 17v against... idk if russ can keep up with eco without pushing early

Yeah you're probably right. I have seen some people say that you need to age against them (which I personally dont agree with, you should just rush them every time), and you can get away with 17v if you age.

Yes I think so... every pr 35+ in the game agrees that you should age up and contain japan with everyciv, but imo if you are not the top 1% rushing is just better, since "non-top players" dont defend as well.

[Darwin_]

Yeah strelet/cossack can just absolutely wreck Japan in the early game.

[sdsanft]

I think 17v can be good vs Dutch. Boyars timing is stronger with 17v age up right?

[__Uhlan__]

[__Uhlan__]

I think 17v can be good vs Dutch. Boyars timing is stronger with 17v age up right?

Your second shipment is so much later though, and you let Dutch freely gather for so long. Not sure about that, standard age up with cos/strel/musk pressure is just so hard to deal with easy mu for Russia.

[sdsanft]

I think 17v can be good vs Dutch. Boyars timing is stronger with 17v age up right?

You second shipment is so much later though, and you let Dutch freely gather for so long. Not sure about that, standard age up with cos/strel/musk pressure is just so hard to deal with easy mu for Russia.

K, I don't have a lot of experience with Russia's matchups so I was just wondering.

[Hazza54321]

17v just sucks, it devalues the 5 cossack shipment soo much