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13 Dec 2016, 04:01

Spain 2 TP FF
This build is almost identical to the normal Spain FF, but the deviation is that you build 2 TP's instead of one; this grants you the ability to send an additional shipment during transition to fortress, and still have a card ready upon reaching Age 3.

Age 1
Try to micro your vills as efficiently as possible and gather treasures; you will need the resources.
You may want to get an early market/early TP if you have a good crate start (500 resources). I'm really not sure which is better, test it out yourself (one of the options gives you a little more idle time in age 2, I believe is was early TP>early market>15 vill age up, but I forgot). Age with the tower+200g.

In transition, gather 400w and build 2 trading posts. If you have time, try to kill, or at least randomly crackshot, as many treasure guardians as possible for the xp. Quee 2 vills (if you macroed bad, or just want to be a little faster) or 3 (if you macroed well)

Age 2
Have your Home City screen open a few seconds beore reaching Age 2 and spam click the 700g shipment, and then send either 700w/5v or 5v/700w.

Build your outpost in base if neccesary, forward for agression, or near your most vulnerable TP.

Once you are clicked up, put about 5 vills on trees and gather the 700w shipment. Build a market and get steel traps and placer mines. Also build your rax and all the houses you can (for xp).

At this point, with a 1 TP FF you wouldn't have another shipment ready until you reach the fortress age. But with this build you do. You can choose from 600w, 4v, 8 pike/rods, 600g. Personally I usually go for either 600w or military; you can also save the shipment for age 3 if you want.

If you shipped the 600w, you can take all vills off wood for a while and maybe even add a second military building; combined with 1k food later on it can be really good. Don't try to change your macro too much for 1000f, you get a pretty good exchange rate at the market for selling food.

If you want to be more agressive and skip some market upgrades (or just have extra resources), train rods (not musks).

Again, if possible, kill more treasure guardians.

Age 3
You should have a shipment ready or almost ready. Vs colonial, always send 12 pike then 2 falcs. If vs fortress, you can sometimes get away with sending 2 falcs first and then 12 pike. At some point (usually at least after 3 or 4 military shipments), send 1k wood for a second TC if you can.
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What is nice about this build is that it gives you a lot of flexibility. You can be super agressive with 8 pike while still having the 5v eco behind it. Or you can go super boom with 5v 4v, or 600w for a very very strong mass slightly later on.

Matchups:
Basically don't do this vs civs which might rush you like Russia or Otto. I would say this build is the best vs British and French/Germany. Try it out yourself.

@sircallen I remember practicing this with you, do you have any suggestions or comments?
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13 Dec 2016, 13:59

@ovi12 Cool build, but why not save one of the shipments until fortress to ensure 2-3 consecutive shipments? Would it be better to just build 1 TP and age faster? Regardless, I think it is a cool build which would have a good mix of eco and aggression in early fortress.
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13 Dec 2016, 14:09

Darwin_ wrote:@ovi12 Cool build, but why not save one of the shipments until fortress to ensure 2-3 consecutive shipments? Would it be better to just build 1 TP and age faster? Regardless, I think it is a cool build which would have a good mix of eco and aggression in early fortress.

The normal ff is 1 TP and is 0-30 seconds faster, I would do it at least vs rush civs like Russia.

I never tried saving the shipment because I really like 600w, it throws people off when you have a second military building so early. For ecample people sometimes try to go full goon vs spain (which you can deal with with 1 rax) but you can completely shut it down with 2 raxes.
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18 Dec 2016, 11:16

@ovi12 , I think it looks better now!
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18 Dec 2016, 11:35

You haven't logged onto ESO since May, Ovi. Why are you still here!

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18 Dec 2016, 13:22

Never listen to guy who doesn't actually play the game
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18 Dec 2016, 13:56

Mitoe wrote:You haven't logged onto ESO since May, Ovi. Why are you still here!

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But goodspeed hasn't logged on since like 2010!
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18 Dec 2016, 13:58

Hazza54321 wrote:Never listen to guy who doesn't actually play the game

Quite the opposite, my freund. See I am the only one with a different perspective; all the people playing have a bias.
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18 Dec 2016, 13:59

ovi12 wrote:
Mitoe wrote:You haven't logged onto ESO since May, Ovi. Why are you still here!

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But goodspeed hasn't logged on since like 2010!

Liar! I saw him online quite recently :kinggreen:
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19 Dec 2016, 12:50

Atlast a little much idea to Spain 2 tp ff, actually it's wrong to call ovi12 Spain 2 tp ff ,I guess this strat was pretty much found by @Lordimperialist on Nilla ,like on 2014 it was found I guess ,he used to do this Spain 2 tp ff with Stagecoach upgrade which was very op and aged at the correct time like around 8 mins dont know how he did it ,there is complex macro I guess I think even this guy named @Micah7 used to do this as he was trained by lord ,when I asked for rec none of them revealed their strat so that kind of strat it's pretty much mysterious note tp costs 250w on Nilla .@ovi12 r u Micah7? Probably not I guess, just asking and do u know the strat for Spain 2 tp ff with Stagecoach? I think prob yes u upgrade tp when 700w arrives I guess,when I asked him how ?to micah7 he said build a tp with 700w and chop for upgrade I still dont understand maybe he's saying that for not revealing the strat? Someone comment how to do that build let me give u the idea :
2 Tp ff with Stagecoach +market+ 2 rax and I saw he never sent 600w but he was able to macro and gt the upgrades in market house pop etc someone explain the macro/build behind this please I think I can find it but I dont have time for now.Help!
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19 Dec 2016, 14:57

Challenger_Marco wrote:Atlast a little much idea to Spain 2 tp ff, actually it's wrong to call ovi12 Spain 2 tp ff ,I guess this strat was pretty much found by @Lordimperialist on Nilla ,like on 2014 it was found I guess ,he used to do this Spain 2 tp ff with Stagecoach upgrade which was very op and aged at the correct time like around 8 mins dont know how he did it ,there is complex macro I guess I think even this guy named @Micah7 used to do this as he was trained by lord ,when I asked for rec none of them revealed their strat so that kind of strat it's pretty much mysterious note tp costs 250w on Nilla .@ovi12 r u Micah7? Probably not I guess, just asking and do u know the strat for Spain 2 tp ff with Stagecoach? I think prob yes u upgrade tp when 700w arrives I guess,when I asked him how ?to micah7 he said build a tp with 700w and chop for upgrade I still dont understand maybe he's saying that for not revealing the strat? Someone comment how to do that build let me give u the idea :
2 Tp ff with Stagecoach +market+ 2 rax and I saw he never sent 600w but he was able to macro and gt the upgrades in market house pop etc someone explain the macro/build behind this please I think I can find it but I dont have time for now.Help!


No I am not micah lol. And I didn't take this build from anyone; I was just thinking one time "wow you have to choose between 8 pike for agressive and 5v for eco, it would be so OP if there was a way to do both".

It sounds like they were building second TP from 700w, which means that they should age way earlier than 8 minutes. Getting stagecoach now is maybe not as good tho since the enemy is almost guaranteed to build a TP himself on TAD. But you can still do it if you want.
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