France vs china

[Kickass_OP]

I wanted to know what the best French strategy against china in age 3?

[tedere12]

Skirm cuir falcs i think

[Challenger_Marco]

By that time u get skrims cuir and falcs I think France would be smashed well idk try out and see? China spams units like shit OP!

[fei123456]

you need to have 20% better eco at least. go cuir+skirm+halberd/swiss pikemen. goon isnt that useful, but if you have eco advantage it's ok.

my view:
goon actually deal poor damage to chinese cav. 26*3*0.7/2 damage per pop: is that good? i dont think so.
i would go pure cuir + about 20 skirms. send shipments (no cannon), cav combat.
goons can kite chinese cav, but if you really go goons, forget cuir. you need to have tons of goons to keep chinese cav away. and NO LAG ALLOWED. but china can still beat this with cav+iron troops.

chinese cav (forbidden army)=cuirass with riding school.

[pecelot]

I often go cuir heavy, you only need to watch out for Manchu but they are easily snipable, add goons vs cav that is your main threat and some skirms. I don't think cannons are necessary.

[bwinner]

Actually that depend Imo, because if China go a lot on heavy cav (current meta), what counter them is goons/skirm combo. But the previous meta was skirm/pikes for China, what get countered by cuir/skirm.
I am not very good at this MU thought. But if you go for a semi ff I think it's good to go for stagecoach and more than one TP, consudering you won't be under early pressure. Then try to outplay him in age 3. Idk if some earlier timming are possible, but I think it is, especially if he chooses to up with the tower and not the accademy.

[Jeedos]

Musk Huss Age 2
Skirm Cuir (or Vet Huss) Age 3

If he goes Cav heavy - go goons.

[yoqpasa]

Cav semi ===>>> skirms goons cuirs

[CurassierAndCurassier]

My key thing with France is you have to remember Cuirs arent your normal old hand cavalry. They dont have to worry about Qiang Pikemen and Ciangdao are only a threat if they're in a large enough mass. But people who dont play France may just send in pikes and swordsmen against them as normal. If you can bait them into a battle like that, using Cuirs to tank while skirmishers and cannons fire away, that should be an easy battle to win.

I would mix in some Hussars too though, for sniping flying crows and scouting

[Hazza54321]

Cuir goon heavy, china doesnt have goons apart from manchu which u can rely on skirm shipments for that

[farran34]

I would play it by going goon heavy with a few cuirs while trying to make sure you always outmass him in skirm count (which should be doable). France should win this comfortably assuming there isnt too much lag since you can just kite his cav and melee while having more skirms. The issue is when it is a bit laggy 1 mistake in micro and you snared and a big glob of melee infantry and just die.

[yurashic]

If China has bad resources and does not wall - musketeers and hussars.

If China has a good defendable position - age up and kite with skirmishers and dragoons. Full cuirs is cheese that can sometimes work. Might even go FI, like I like to do. :)

[sdsanft]

If you don't trust your micro (my micro is terrible ) is it okay to mix muskets or even halberds/Swiss pikes in order to counter China's very melee heavy composition. Even if you mix a batch or two in you should still be able to stay ahead in skirm count, so it shouldn't be a huge problem to do.

[Kickass_OP]

I see that cavalry strategy. Age 3 cur and skins is op.
As in this replay.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=249oOwtzRdI

[momuuu]

Dunno if youve seen thus game but i recall a mitoe vs mongo or sth in the 2016 esoc invitational where g2 was a france vs china executed amazingly well by mitoe. Im on mobile right now so getting the link is too much effort for me but its somewhere on the esoc youtube for sure.

[pecelot]

[video]https://youtu.be/yYkdzNzCK08?t=15m35s[/video]

[Kickass_OP]

[video]https://youtu.be/yYkdzNzCK08?t=15m35s[/video]

ty man

[Lunatic_Fringe]

Cuir, skirms and goons.
Send the 2 falcs shipment too.

[Laurence Drake]

I'm just here to point out that China making heavy cav is ahistorical

[fei123456]

I'm just here to point out that China making heavy cav is ahistorical

china is not a civ on horse back, but there should be some elite cavalry (that's why it's called "forbidden army") to defend the capital.
also, northern nomadic civs have heavy cavs (including mongols. they're not only good at archery.)

[forgrin]

Depends whether we're counting China as the original historical place that is China, or China's more modern definition (China + surrounding countries it decides it wants).

[fei123456]

Depends whether we're counting China as the original historical place that is China, or China's more modern definition (China + surrounding countries it decides it wants).

lol what are u talking about? china used to have a strong cavalry troop, and even stretched into middle asia (though lost to arab empire). and after that northern nomadic civs conquered china 2 times (mongols and manchu). so why do you think china has no cavalry?

[deleted_user0]

I'm just here to point out that China making heavy cav is ahistorical

Youre completely misinformed. The mongols conquered and ruled china for over a century, and they had some of the best heavy cavalry in the world. Prior to that china also had a cavalry tradition, and they in fact were the first region in which the use of stirrups was widespread, something very necessary for heavy cavalry

The qing dynasty was manchurian not chinese, and their military strength rested on a strong mobile cavalry force.

[Laurence Drake]

I'm just here to point out that China making heavy cav is ahistorical

Youre completely misinformed. The mongols conquered and ruled china for over a century, and they had some of the best heavy cavalry in the world. Prior to that china also had a cavalry tradition, and they in fact were the first region in which the use of stirrups was widespread, something very necessary for heavy cavalry

The qing dynasty was manchurian not chinese, and their military strength rested on a strong mobile cavalry force.

not heavy cavalry

qing dynasty mainly fielded foot soldiers

[sdsanft]

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thanks for helping me study for my AP World History test on Asia that I have to take as soon as break is over.