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29 Dec 2016, 05:55

evilcheadar wrote:I tried ship swiss pike as france vs gibson ottomon vault, and it failed horribly

Well ofc, I'd say never send this vs a musk heavy civ. I think it works best vs Germany, China and maybe azzy add if you can get away with it.
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30 Dec 2016, 09:55

evilcheadar wrote:I tried ship swiss pike as france vs gibson ottomon vault, and it failed horribly

maybe you failed horribly :!:
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evilcheadar wrote:I tried ship swiss pike as france vs gibson ottomon vault, and it failed horribly

maybe you failed horribly :!:
could you explain/link so that we may judge ourselves? :flowers:

Well I basically stated I failed horribly, so there's no uncertainty there.
I knew he would ship hussars and what not from his deck. He god the hussar out and nearly ran them full tilt into the pike but pulled back at last moment and just used colonial militia.
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30 Dec 2016, 10:06

You can always put them in cover mode, though!
Also, pure Swiss Pikes is usually not the best composition because of the aforementioned :!:
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30 Dec 2016, 10:14

pecelot wrote:You can always put them in cover mode, though!
Also, pure Swiss Pikes is usually not the best composition because of the aforementioned :!:


The only unit you should put in cover mode is urumi
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30 Dec 2016, 16:42

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pecelot wrote:You can always put them in cover mode, though!
Also, pure Swiss Pikes is usually not the best composition because of the aforementioned :!:


The only unit you should put in cover mode is urumi

Nope, in a ranged battle any type of pike should be in cover mode, especially if sieging.
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30 Dec 2016, 19:59

sdsanft wrote:
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pecelot wrote:You can always put them in cover mode, though!
Also, pure Swiss Pikes is usually not the best composition because of the aforementioned :!:


The only unit you should put in cover mode is urumi

Nope, in a ranged battle any type of pike should be in cover mode, especially if sieging.


I was joking sorry, but I know that it should be in cover mode unless in melee? It loses its bonuses in cover mode I think.
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31 Dec 2016, 13:54

JakeyBoyTH wrote:
sdsanft wrote:
JakeyBoyTH wrote:
pecelot wrote:You can always put them in cover mode, though!
Also, pure Swiss Pikes is usually not the best composition because of the aforementioned :!:


The only unit you should put in cover mode is urumi

Nope, in a ranged battle any type of pike should be in cover mode, especially if sieging.


I was joking sorry, but I know that it should be in cover mode unless in melee? It loses its bonuses in cover mode I think.

It loses half its attack, but keeps its multipliers iirc. Either way, the soaking ability is what counts.
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lemmings121 wrote:Used them today as spain vs german, they got rekt by landsknecht with merc combat.
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Who uses landsknechts? :o
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lemmings121 wrote:Used them today as spain vs german, they got rekt by landsknecht with merc combat.
Rip.


Who uses landsknechts? :o


apperently they are pretty good as long as heavy inf goes :lol:
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10 Jan 2017, 13:49

All of the mercs are basicly bad. Its not because they arent cost effective, but you lose ur army/mapcontrol if try to save the coin they need.
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Dsy wrote:All of the mercs are basicly bad. Its not because they arent cost effective, but you lose ur army/mapcontrol if try to save the coin they need.

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10 Jan 2017, 15:13

Intresting note about landsknecht: You can send 4 landsknechts in age2 for 400c as german. People dont send them, though it should be an insane card in theory according to the fact you can send 10 landsknechts for 1000c in fortress.
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Dsy wrote:Intresting note about landsknecht: You can send 4 landsknechts in age2 for 400c as german. People dont send them, though it should be an insane card in theory according to the fact you can send 10 landsknechts for 1000c in fortress.


I sent them once in a xbow-pike rush german mirror and won. After a while I only had to have 10 pikes or so because the lands mopped up all the uhlan no prb
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10 Jan 2017, 16:05

Risintiger ship lansknechts on a regular basis. It's not an insane card though, because it's worth 960g, and you pay 400g for it, which means you basically ship 560g, instead of, say, 700g+2uhlans, which is 1000 res. And one could say it's compensated by lansknechts being an age 3 unit, but they're so bad it doesn't matter (one of the worst mercs, too slow for a melee unit). Also in the card description they say you get faster lansknechts instead of the free uhlans, but I've never noticed anything like this lol. Maybe they mean they get shipped faster, I'm not sure, but it will not compensate the loss of 2 free uhlans. If it was a 5 lansknechts shipment, it could work in some match ups I guess.
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3dops 2uhlans is just a better card imo.
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10 Jan 2017, 17:11

In english description it writes you get extra mercs instead of uhlans...:D
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Dsy wrote:In english description it writes you get extra mercs instead of uhlans...:D

This works for other mercs, but not for lansknechts

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Dsy wrote:All of the mercs are basicly bad. Its not because they arent cost effective, but you lose ur army/mapcontrol if try to save the coin they need.

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Lol, well it's true that going full mercs from the saloon is mostly bad because you deplete your gold way too fast and for some other reasons, but mixing mercs in your army, or most often, shipping mercs, is not bad at all in some cases. The 9 BR and sometimes 13 jaegers for germany, 5 cuirs for iro, and ofc mams, are good
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10 Jan 2017, 18:04

also manchu/iron troops for china, manchu for rushia and in some cases swiss pikes for spain or dutch really round out gaps in their compositions.
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10 Jan 2017, 18:25

Spain mercs are exactly of the same type of their other unit shipments so they don't really help much. Given the frequency of Spain shipment is debatable if they help at all since you probably get a bigger power spike in the same time frame with shipment+unit production.
Swiss pike in particular is generally a very bad merc unit. It's a pike afterall. I'd say its only perk is to combine high siege and anticav role so it can do stand alone operations like proxy sieging. Basically like petards but not counterable by cav.
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10 Jan 2017, 20:06

What about Highlanders, though? :hmm:
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10 Jan 2017, 23:10

Most useful Spain merc probably and yet you can easily make musks in transition with the standard FF.
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Sigh garja, you never understood spain outside the mirror =_= darwin knew this too
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Kaiserklein wrote:Risintiger ship lansknechts on a regular basis. It's not an insane card though, because it's worth 960g, and you pay 400g for it, which means you basically ship 560g, instead of, say, 700g+2uhlans, which is 1000 res. And one could say it's compensated by lansknechts being an age 3 unit, but they're so bad it doesn't matter (one of the worst mercs, too slow for a melee unit). Also in the card description they say you get faster lansknechts instead of the free uhlans, but I've never noticed anything like this lol. Maybe they mean they get shipped faster, I'm not sure, but it will not compensate the loss of 2 free uhlans. If it was a 5 lansknechts shipment, it could work in some match ups I guess.

For some reason I thought risintiger was your smurf :huh:
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