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Re: Swiss Pikes

Posted: 29 Dec 2016, 05:55
by sdsanft
evilcheadar wrote:I tried ship swiss pike as france vs gibson ottomon vault, and it failed horribly

Well ofc, I'd say never send this vs a musk heavy civ. I think it works best vs Germany, China and maybe azzy add if you can get away with it.

Re: Swiss Pikes

Posted: 30 Dec 2016, 09:55
by pecelot
evilcheadar wrote:I tried ship swiss pike as france vs gibson ottomon vault, and it failed horribly

maybe you failed horribly :!:
could you explain/link so that we may judge ourselves? :flowers:

Re: Swiss Pikes

Posted: 30 Dec 2016, 10:04
by evilcheadar
pecelot wrote:
evilcheadar wrote:I tried ship swiss pike as france vs gibson ottomon vault, and it failed horribly

maybe you failed horribly :!:
could you explain/link so that we may judge ourselves? :flowers:

Well I basically stated I failed horribly, so there's no uncertainty there.
I knew he would ship hussars and what not from his deck. He god the hussar out and nearly ran them full tilt into the pike but pulled back at last moment and just used colonial militia.

Re: Swiss Pikes

Posted: 30 Dec 2016, 10:06
by pecelot
You can always put them in cover mode, though!
Also, pure Swiss Pikes is usually not the best composition because of the aforementioned :!:

Re: Swiss Pikes

Posted: 30 Dec 2016, 10:14
by JakeyBoyTH
pecelot wrote:You can always put them in cover mode, though!
Also, pure Swiss Pikes is usually not the best composition because of the aforementioned :!:


The only unit you should put in cover mode is urumi

Re: Swiss Pikes

Posted: 30 Dec 2016, 16:42
by sdsanft
JakeyBoyTH wrote:
pecelot wrote:You can always put them in cover mode, though!
Also, pure Swiss Pikes is usually not the best composition because of the aforementioned :!:


The only unit you should put in cover mode is urumi

Nope, in a ranged battle any type of pike should be in cover mode, especially if sieging.

Re: Swiss Pikes

Posted: 30 Dec 2016, 19:59
by JakeyBoyTH
sdsanft wrote:
JakeyBoyTH wrote:
pecelot wrote:You can always put them in cover mode, though!
Also, pure Swiss Pikes is usually not the best composition because of the aforementioned :!:


The only unit you should put in cover mode is urumi

Nope, in a ranged battle any type of pike should be in cover mode, especially if sieging.


I was joking sorry, but I know that it should be in cover mode unless in melee? It loses its bonuses in cover mode I think.

Re: Swiss Pikes

Posted: 31 Dec 2016, 13:54
by Papist
JakeyBoyTH wrote:
sdsanft wrote:
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Nope, in a ranged battle any type of pike should be in cover mode, especially if sieging.


I was joking sorry, but I know that it should be in cover mode unless in melee? It loses its bonuses in cover mode I think.

It loses half its attack, but keeps its multipliers iirc. Either way, the soaking ability is what counts.

Re: Swiss Pikes

Posted: 10 Jan 2017, 12:59
by Imperial Noob
lemmings121 wrote:Used them today as spain vs german, they got rekt by landsknecht with merc combat.
Rip.


Who uses landsknechts? :o

Re: Swiss Pikes

Posted: 10 Jan 2017, 13:25
by lemmings121
Imperial Noob wrote:
lemmings121 wrote:Used them today as spain vs german, they got rekt by landsknecht with merc combat.
Rip.


Who uses landsknechts? :o


apperently they are pretty good as long as heavy inf goes :lol:

Re: Swiss Pikes

Posted: 10 Jan 2017, 13:49
by Dsy
All of the mercs are basicly bad. Its not because they arent cost effective, but you lose ur army/mapcontrol if try to save the coin they need.

Re: Swiss Pikes

Posted: 10 Jan 2017, 13:52
by gh0st
Dsy wrote:All of the mercs are basicly bad. Its not because they arent cost effective, but you lose ur army/mapcontrol if try to save the coin they need.

@Kaiserklein

Re: Swiss Pikes

Posted: 10 Jan 2017, 13:59
by Laurence Drake
I remember when every strategy involved mercs.

Re: Swiss Pikes

Posted: 10 Jan 2017, 15:13
by Dsy
Intresting note about landsknecht: You can send 4 landsknechts in age2 for 400c as german. People dont send them, though it should be an insane card in theory according to the fact you can send 10 landsknechts for 1000c in fortress.

Re: Swiss Pikes

Posted: 10 Jan 2017, 15:23
by milku3459
Dsy wrote:Intresting note about landsknecht: You can send 4 landsknechts in age2 for 400c as german. People dont send them, though it should be an insane card in theory according to the fact you can send 10 landsknechts for 1000c in fortress.


I sent them once in a xbow-pike rush german mirror and won. After a while I only had to have 10 pikes or so because the lands mopped up all the uhlan no prb

Re: Swiss Pikes

Posted: 10 Jan 2017, 16:05
by Kaiserklein
Risintiger ship lansknechts on a regular basis. It's not an insane card though, because it's worth 960g, and you pay 400g for it, which means you basically ship 560g, instead of, say, 700g+2uhlans, which is 1000 res. And one could say it's compensated by lansknechts being an age 3 unit, but they're so bad it doesn't matter (one of the worst mercs, too slow for a melee unit). Also in the card description they say you get faster lansknechts instead of the free uhlans, but I've never noticed anything like this lol. Maybe they mean they get shipped faster, I'm not sure, but it will not compensate the loss of 2 free uhlans. If it was a 5 lansknechts shipment, it could work in some match ups I guess.

Re: Swiss Pikes

Posted: 10 Jan 2017, 16:19
by sdsanft
3dops 2uhlans is just a better card imo.

Re: Swiss Pikes

Posted: 10 Jan 2017, 17:11
by Dsy
In english description it writes you get extra mercs instead of uhlans...:D

Re: Swiss Pikes

Posted: 10 Jan 2017, 17:50
by Kaiserklein
Dsy wrote:In english description it writes you get extra mercs instead of uhlans...:D

This works for other mercs, but not for lansknechts

gh0st wrote:
Dsy wrote:All of the mercs are basicly bad. Its not because they arent cost effective, but you lose ur army/mapcontrol if try to save the coin they need.

@Kaiserklein

Lol, well it's true that going full mercs from the saloon is mostly bad because you deplete your gold way too fast and for some other reasons, but mixing mercs in your army, or most often, shipping mercs, is not bad at all in some cases. The 9 BR and sometimes 13 jaegers for germany, 5 cuirs for iro, and ofc mams, are good

Re: Swiss Pikes

Posted: 10 Jan 2017, 18:04
by deleted_user0
also manchu/iron troops for china, manchu for rushia and in some cases swiss pikes for spain or dutch really round out gaps in their compositions.

Re: Swiss Pikes

Posted: 10 Jan 2017, 18:25
by Garja
Spain mercs are exactly of the same type of their other unit shipments so they don't really help much. Given the frequency of Spain shipment is debatable if they help at all since you probably get a bigger power spike in the same time frame with shipment+unit production.
Swiss pike in particular is generally a very bad merc unit. It's a pike afterall. I'd say its only perk is to combine high siege and anticav role so it can do stand alone operations like proxy sieging. Basically like petards but not counterable by cav.

Re: Swiss Pikes

Posted: 10 Jan 2017, 20:06
by pecelot
What about Highlanders, though? :hmm:

Re: Swiss Pikes

Posted: 10 Jan 2017, 23:10
by Garja
Most useful Spain merc probably and yet you can easily make musks in transition with the standard FF.

Re: Swiss Pikes

Posted: 10 Jan 2017, 23:41
by deleted_user0
Sigh garja, you never understood spain outside the mirror =_= darwin knew this too

Re: Swiss Pikes

Posted: 11 Jan 2017, 00:36
by tedere12
Kaiserklein wrote:Risintiger ship lansknechts on a regular basis. It's not an insane card though, because it's worth 960g, and you pay 400g for it, which means you basically ship 560g, instead of, say, 700g+2uhlans, which is 1000 res. And one could say it's compensated by lansknechts being an age 3 unit, but they're so bad it doesn't matter (one of the worst mercs, too slow for a melee unit). Also in the card description they say you get faster lansknechts instead of the free uhlans, but I've never noticed anything like this lol. Maybe they mean they get shipped faster, I'm not sure, but it will not compensate the loss of 2 free uhlans. If it was a 5 lansknechts shipment, it could work in some match ups I guess.

For some reason I thought risintiger was your smurf :huh: