Is the 1 Falconet card ever worth it?

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Is the 1 Falconet card ever worth it?

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In a Spanish FF for example, you get to age 3 around 7:10ish, ship 2 falcs and then pressure with your 8 pikes from aging. Then i immediately send more shipments with the xp i get, usually 9 highlanders. I never wait for the 2nd shipment to arrive, i just have it join the attacking force. Sometimes i lose the 2 falcs later on, but its usually a trade because then they have no army from focusing them down. In this situation would popping another falc from the home city be worth it? Particularly as Spain since they get more shipments.
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7:10? Is that a piro ff time or im just that bad
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Only in RE since spain just lack good fortress shipments. Just making skirms instead of shiping highlanders is better tho. More so if you are going with the 8 pike instead of 4 hussar.
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Just saying, if you're ok with pressuring 1-2 minutes later you can send 1k wood and build a falc.
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tedere12 wrote:7:10? Is that a piro ff time or im just that bad


Yeah thats the Piroshiki time.



ovi12 wrote:Just saying, if you're ok with pressuring 1-2 minutes later you can send 1k wood and build a falc.


Wouldn't that give them time to react? If someone goes to 3 they know 2 falcs are on their way next.
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Considering it's worth only 500 resources — not really. On the other hand, it's a rather special unit that can cause a lot of damage if protected. Nevertheless, I'd rather not send it, as its replacements are usually just better — either other units that are always useful (even pikes may defend your main force of previously sent 2 falcs) or resources.
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In Euro FF match ups 3 falcs beat 2 falcs with 2 left, so in that case...
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It can be more effective than 7 skirms... So i think yeah can be optional.
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Imagine in a Spain v Spain mirror if you send this and keep 2 of your flacs alive after the fight...hmmm I wonder if it's viable then. Otherwise not really.
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Trolololololo wrote:If you ship the 1 falconet then you will get your next shipment faster if you had shipped the 2 falconet card. I've tested this and it's one of the AOE3 pro secrets that never really got out.


Is that really so? can anybody else confirm this :unsure: :?:
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iwillspankyou wrote:
Trolololololo wrote:If you ship the 1 falconet then you will get your next shipment faster if you had shipped the 2 falconet card. I've tested this and it's one of the AOE3 pro secrets that never really got out.


Is that really so? can anybody else confirm this :unsure: :?:

no, it probably is the opposite as the 2 falcs will do more damage (killing units or buildings) that will give you more exp for the next shipment
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makes more sense
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__Uhlan__ wrote:Imagine in a Spain v Spain mirror if you send this and keep 2 of your flacs alive after the fight...hmmm I wonder if it's viable then. Otherwise not really.

yea I think you can do it in a spain mirror, but in most other mus its not great
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gibson wrote:
__Uhlan__ wrote:Imagine in a Spain v Spain mirror if you send this and keep 2 of your flacs alive after the fight...hmmm I wonder if it's viable then. Otherwise not really.

yea I think you can do it in a spain mirror, but in most other mus its not great


Agreeded & maybe French mirror if the game goes fortress becuase 1 flac > 7 skrims if you have the mass to protect it.
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Btw are u planning to remove the bomber/horse auto switch? Could be a huge buff and fix falconet bug...
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Goodspeed wrote:In Euro FF match ups 3 falcs beat 2 falcs with 2 left, so in that case...


But if any 2 falcs manage to beat 2 other falcs, then one falc of the winner should in most cases still remain alive. Considering the complete uselessness of the third shot in such a face-off, the additional falc does nothing.
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It does, actually — provides you with an additional cannon. You basically cannot lose a 3v2 falcs war, whereas even if you win a 2v2, you're left with one falconet, which is obviously inferior to two cannons.

tedere12 wrote:
iwillspankyou wrote:
Trolololololo wrote:If you ship the 1 falconet then you will get your next shipment faster if you had shipped the 2 falconet card. I've tested this and it's one of the AOE3 pro secrets that never really got out.


Is that really so? can anybody else confirm this :unsure: :?:

no, it probably is the opposite as the 2 falcs will do more damage (killing units or buildings) that will give you more exp for the next shipment


No, it is not true at all, as you should have already judged by his nickname... :idea:
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Imperial Noob wrote:
Goodspeed wrote:In Euro FF match ups 3 falcs beat 2 falcs with 2 left, so in that case...


But if any 2 falcs manage to beat 2 other falcs, then one falc of the winner should in most cases still remain alive. Considering the complete uselessness of the third shot in such a face-off, the additional falc does nothing.


Lol and what guarentees that Your falc will remain alive? It can be yours or the Opponents.
In 3v2 falc fight, you will have Your 2 falcs alive with very high chance.
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Imperial Noob wrote:
Goodspeed wrote:In Euro FF match ups 3 falcs beat 2 falcs with 2 left, so in that case...


But if any 2 falcs manage to beat 2 other falcs, then one falc of the winner should in most cases still remain alive. Considering the complete uselessness of the third shot in such a face-off, the additional falc does nothing.
Both sides cannons shoot leading to a 2v1 situation. Then the side with one cannon does half health to one of the 2 cannons whilst simultaneously getting eliminated.
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Goodspeed wrote:In Euro FF match ups 3 falcs beat 2 falcs with 2 left, so in that case...

1000w -> culverin still better.
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But much slower. Besides it wouldn't even be better, you would still have 2 falcs left after the art war. Now if you had said 1000w into 2 extra falcs, then sure.

I think there may be a place for the 1 falc card, but it would be highly situational.
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In a falco war early fort 3 falcs looks good in theory, with equal micro you are left with 2 falcs vs zero, effectively nagating your enemy's falco card..

But very situational indeed
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Goodspeed wrote:But much slower. Besides it wouldn't even be better, you would still have 2 falcs left after the art war. Now if you had said 1000w into 2 extra falcs, then sure.

I think there may be a place for the 1 falc card, but it would be highly situational.


Furthermore the card is depreciated further by the fact that it presupposes close-to-perfect execution, unlike e.g. resources shipments.
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Also in MUs with goons in general an additional falc instead of something like skirms or more goons is very risky, since your opponent can just charge straight onto cannons with his light cav. Hence I wouldn't necessarily consider it worthwhile in for example a French mirror, but in a Spanish one — perhaps I would.
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Like just getting 5 hussars or shipping crates and making 5 goons or something is simply better.

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