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If India does 10/10 they sometimes come before you are aged up.
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Darwin_ wrote:Mixing hand cav against china is a really high risk/high reward scenario. You never know if they are just about to pop intervention+6 musks or 11 changdao, or strongest of all, manchu. If you get caught against any of those, you can loose all of your cav.

It's not really that risky, you have pikes and musks to kill with skirms and one batch of Manchus which you can kite.
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pecelot wrote:
Darwin_ wrote:Mixing hand cav against china is a really high risk/high reward scenario. You never know if they are just about to pop intervention+6 musks or 11 changdao, or strongest of all, manchu. If you get caught against any of those, you can loose all of your cav.

It's not really that risky, you have pikes and musks to kill with skirms and one batch of Manchus which you can kite.

Yeah I guess it mostly depends on where you are fighting. If you are in china's base, it is a lot more risky than fighting out in the open.
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Darwin_ wrote:
pecelot wrote:
Darwin_ wrote:Mixing hand cav against china is a really high risk/high reward scenario. You never know if they are just about to pop intervention+6 musks or 11 changdao, or strongest of all, manchu. If you get caught against any of those, you can loose all of your cav.

It's not really that risky, you have pikes and musks to kill with skirms and one batch of Manchus which you can kite.

Yeah I guess it mostly depends on where you are fighting. If you are in china's base, it is a lot more risky than fighting out in the open.

Yeah, as long as you have a decent skirm mass the HI will die before your cuir do, plus if your bad at kiting (like me) having a meat shield against China's mass of melee units is nice.
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yurashic wrote:If India does 10/10 they sometimes come before you are aged up.


So ship 8 bows use monk and mm and win, you don't need to straight ff every game can do some sort of mini-semi ff with a tp, if you don't scout and blindly do a slow ff with porcelain tower ofc you will lose.
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Mitoe wrote:India is a pretty easy win IMO. Port should be too, the others are harder.


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Mitoe wrote:India is a pretty easy win IMO. Port should be too, the others are harder.

How does china play in those mu's, b/c I have always thought that they are not in china's favor?
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__Uhlan__ wrote:No way you win with a port 10/10 lol.

yea, but I remember a game where Aiz 10/10 port won vs Samwise china on Arkansas iirc. :mrgreen:
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AraGun wrote:
Mitoe wrote:India is a pretty easy win IMO. Port should be too, the others are harder.


Good discussion here but why u gotta go and copy my avatar xD

XD Damn it I was trying to be unique. Too many people with doppelsoldners on ESOC now, had to change. Maybe I'll have to change it again :(
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gh0st wrote:
__Uhlan__ wrote:No way you win with a port 10/10 lol.

yea, but I remember a game where Aiz 10/10 port won vs Samwise china on Arkansas iirc. :mrgreen:


Well I wonder how many games it HASNT worked :/ I don't see a 10/10 viable at all, if china just does a semi-ff and doesn't blindly ff with the porcelain tower.
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Port 10/10 is not bad. It allows you to secure map control safely, and you are really only down ~1 vill, because aging sooner gives you your 2nd TC sooner (well, I guess this depends on how far away you build it), which means you'll get ~1 of the vills back that you cut in order to 10/10. It has its pros and cons, and sometimes those pros definitely outweigh the cons.
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Mitoe wrote:
AraGun wrote:
Mitoe wrote:India is a pretty easy win IMO. Port should be too, the others are harder.


Good discussion here but why u gotta go and copy my avatar xD

XD Damn it I was trying to be unique. Too many people with doppelsoldners on ESOC now, had to change. Maybe I'll have to change it again :(


Haha just yanking ur chain, np we can be the dragon brothers :P
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XD Damn it I was trying to be unique. Too many people with doppelsoldners on ESOC now, had to change. Maybe I'll have to change it again :(


Haha just yanking ur chain, np we can be the dragon brothers :P


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Mitoe wrote:Port 10/10 is not bad. It allows you to secure map control safely, and you are really only down ~1 vill, because aging sooner gives you your 2nd TC sooner (well, I guess this depends on how far away you build it), which means you'll get ~1 of the vills back that you cut in order to 10/10. It has its pros and cons, and sometimes those pros definitely outweigh the cons.


It's more than that becuase if you want to produce vills from both tc's constantly you won't be rushing hard enough to hurt China imo.
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Have you never played against Aiz's Port? :P It's not that easy to beat, although I do think China should be able to beat it.
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portu 10/10 sux unless aiz does it. he has made a deal with the devil, who we all know, is portuguese.
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__Uhlan__ wrote:
yurashic wrote:If India does 10/10 they sometimes come before you are aged up.


So ship 8 bows use monk and mm and win, you don't need to straight ff every game can do some sort of mini-semi ff with a tp, if you don't scout and blindly do a slow ff with porcelain tower ofc you will lose.


Not really. Come ESO, we'll play.
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yurashic wrote:
__Uhlan__ wrote:
yurashic wrote:If India does 10/10 they sometimes come before you are aged up.


So ship 8 bows use monk and mm and win, you don't need to straight ff every game can do some sort of mini-semi ff with a tp, if you don't scout and blindly do a slow ff with porcelain tower ofc you will lose.


Not really. Come ESO, we'll play.


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yurashic wrote:
__Uhlan__ wrote:
yurashic wrote:If India does 10/10 they sometimes come before you are aged up.


So ship 8 bows use monk and mm and win, you don't need to straight ff every game can do some sort of mini-semi ff with a tp, if you don't scout and blindly do a slow ff with porcelain tower ofc you will lose.


Not really. Come ESO, we'll play.


sure you can port 10/10 & 10/10 with India I'll show you it's easily holdable.
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Not really. Come ESO, we'll play.


sure you can port 10/10 & 10/10 with India I'll show you it's easily holdable.


Could play both sides.
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sure you can port 10/10 & 10/10 with India I'll show you it's easily holdable.


Could play both sides.


Sure would love to test it further with someone, I think it's holdable but hey you never know, can try it sometime tomorrow or tonight not sure if you live in USA or elsewhere.
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Could play both sides.


Sure would love to test it further with someone, I think it's holdable but hey you never know, can try it sometime tomorrow or tonight not sure if you live in USA or elsewhere.


I am playing in ESO, come now if you like, I will be playing for about an hour more or so.
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stream please

ftr, uhlan is saying china can easily hold port and india 10/10's and yurashic is saying they cant? dis gunna be gud!
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yurashic wrote:
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Sure would love to test it further with someone, I think it's holdable but hey you never know, can try it sometime tomorrow or tonight not sure if you live in USA or elsewhere.


I am playing in ESO, come now if you like, I will be playing for about an hour more or so.


Can't, until tonight live USA so it's 3:33 and I'm at work atm. Tomorrow around this time I'll be free though :P
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one suggestion is to delay the FF a little, and ship the "mandarin duck squad" for 500 food. It gives you 8 Chu Ko nu and a flametrower! in your face sepoys!!
the mm will also help I guess!
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