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india sends military shipments only (5sepoy-4sowar-10tiger claw-6minutemen)
i did a 7:30 timing(700w-10mace-9mace-6puma) but can't kill his army under the agra fort
then i have nothing to do: fish boom is too late. wp boom too.
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Why kill his army under the agra fort?
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Aztec just needs to boom, let the india player come to you. The aztec boom is stronger so the indian player needs to make something happen. But with the mace shipments and wp it's pretty hard.
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wickedcossack wrote:Aztec just needs to boom, let the india player come to you. The aztec boom is stronger so the indian player needs to make something happen. But with the mace shipments and wp it''s pretty hard.
Are you sure about this? I have been playing a lot of Aztec lately and even with 700w/3WP/5v/4v I''m not sure you can beat India''s boom. Aztec market upgrades are so bad...
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wickedcossack wrote:Aztec just needs to boom, let the india player come to you. The aztec boom is stronger so the indian player needs to make something happen. But with the mace shipments and wp it''s pretty hard.


but there wont be endless hunts in my base. besides, if india has a mass of sowar zamburak sepoy gurkha minutemen hussar combo, i mean tons of shit, it''s difficult for aztec to beat them, even if i have more military units than him.
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aligator92 wrote:
wickedcossack wrote:Aztec just needs to boom, let the india player come to you. The aztec boom is stronger so the indian player needs to make something happen. But with the mace shipments and wp its pretty hard.
Are you sure about this? I have been playing a lot of Aztec lately and even with 700w/3WP/5v/4v Im not sure you can beat Indias boom. Aztec market upgrades are so bad...
You can outboom but your late game is less good, so, you have to do a strong timing but not a 7min30 one...
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diarouga wrote:
aligator92 wrote:Are you sure about this? I have been playing a lot of Aztec lately and even with 700w/3WP/5v/4v Im not sure you can beat Indias boom. Aztec market upgrades are so bad...
You can outboom but your late game is less good, so, you have to do a strong timing but not a 7min30 one...


so whats the better BO? a timing can do well with normal india (if he booms) but cant deal with noob all-in india. he only sends military shipments, and call minutemen from consulate instead of 4 vils.:(
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paul wrote:
diarouga wrote:You can outboom but your late game is less good, so, you have to do a strong timing but not a 7min30 one...
so whats the better BO? a timing can do well with normal india (if he booms) but cant deal with noob all-in india. he only sends military shipments, and call minutemen from consulate instead of 4 vils.:(
Idk, ask garja but 700w/10mace to hold and at the right time you should be able to break the agra.
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next time i will try an earlier timing: send 700w 10mace 9mace and all-in. train some puma instead of coyote. just before his tiger claws and minutemen came out. but this seems some dangerous lol.
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700w 5 vil 3wp then either 4 vil or 10 mace seems to outboom india for me. That's with the wood upgrade.
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The problem with outbooming Indians is that ?? while perfectly possible or even quite easily done ?? it will not see the Aztec player in a fanciful position. Either inflicting casualties relatively early in Colonial or aging is crucial if you're to stand any sort of a chance in this match-up' the Indians' colonial composition, once fully established, is simply far too good for the Aztecs' to deal with. Your best bet if the game drags on is to hit Fortress and pray they'll follow you and spam Mahouts.
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Nah I think it's the other way around actually. The aztecs get so many units and the indian player just gets swarmed if they stay age2. With 10 wp and attack dance I don't think india can win in age 2.
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wickedcossack wrote:700w 5 vil 3wp then either 4 vil or 10 mace seems to outboom india for me. That''s with the wood upgrade.
It doesn''t. Not even 700w 600w 3wp 5v 4v +2tp stagecoach really outbooms india that goes for the most greedy build.
And not even 3wp 5v 4v which is the most efficient non compromise greedy build.

It''s all the other stuff in between those greedy builds that make the MU sort of balanced. In mid game tho India just rape aztecs and in late game is kinda the opposite. Unit wise atleast.
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Arghh not the 600w build. :raspberry:

And yea that build does outboom india.
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It doesn't, I played 50 to 100 games of that MU for the previous tourney with any combination of aztec cards. I know my shit ')
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I'd love to believe you. But I don't.

We can play this next week. Me aztecs.
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wickedcossack wrote:I''d love to believe you. But I don''t.

We can play this next week. Me aztecs.
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garja wrote:It doesn''t, I played 50 to 100 games of that MU for the previous tourney with any combination of aztec cards. I know my shit ')


so whats your idea against india? (with aggresive india it seems impossible not sending any units in early age 2)
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wickedcossack wrote:Nah I think it''s the other way around actually. The aztecs get so many units and the indian player just gets swarmed if they stay age2. With 10 wp and attack dance I don''t think india can win in age 2.
No, the compositional advantage is far too great in favor of Indians. Indians have nothing to gain from aging, relative to Aztecs.
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garja wrote:It doesn''t, I played 50 to 100 games of that MU for the previous tourney with any combination of aztec cards. I know my shit ')
Interesting. I''ll just accept this for a change. Thanks for the information!
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wickedcossack wrote:I''d love to believe you. But I don''t.

We can play this next week. Me aztecs.
I can play vs you as india.
I played many times with garja and aztec can''t win with a boom like that. Kiljardi also tried to outboom yesterday and it just doesn''t work.
However a 700/600w timing is hard to hold. That''s the best way Imo.
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We talking defensive agra or forward?
Afaik, against forward agra you can do a timing and should be able to break it and against defensive agra boom and sneak in that age up.
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wickedcossack wrote:Aztec just needs to boom, let the india player come to you. The aztec boom is stronger so the indian player needs to make something happen. But with the mace shipments and wp it''s pretty hard.



Azzy fishboom is stronger, tge land boom isnt tho
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calmyourtits wrote:We talking defensive agra or forward?
Afaik, against forward agra you can do a timing and should be able to break it and against defensive agra boom and sneak in that age up.
Against forward just timing yeah.
Imo vs def agra, do not age, it looses to an indian timing. You should just timing push in age2 as garja says.
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You're not going to break a defensive agra though. Your options are either contain in colonial or sneak an age up. Contain in colo sounds good in theory but India just has a sick comp and when they start pushing out after getting their upgrade cards in you're gonna have a bad time. Definitely playable though, depending on the map.
I think aging up is a realistic option. I don't mean right away, more like after having sent most unit shipments. Think 700w 3wp 5v mace mace 600g

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