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United States of America SirCallen
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12 Feb 2017, 23:23

Build 1

VOD: https://www.twitch.tv/videos/121716190

Card Order: 6 musk, 6 lbow, 700w, 600w.

Commentary: New meta. This video doesn't do it justice. Against previous meta brit mirror (700w 600w fb mid map) this build is dominating. I've beat players better than me like Risi123, KingofOsmane, cramper, (GUA?) with this build in quick fashion. Having an explorer at high health mele'ing units that pop out of the rax is key. Open to being countered by defensive fb and 700w. I want to say this is strictly viable when fbs are mid map on top of each other, but when it is, oh boy is it good. Optimally off 300w start, (2 starting manors + 3 transition manors = 60 pop). I got housed in this VOD because my opening mass was so good my units didn't die and I only had 50 pop. Alternatively you can ship 700w instead of 6 lbow as you will most likely have already broken his fb.

Build 2

VOD: https://www.twitch.tv/videos/121716679

Card Order: 700w, 600w, musk attack, musk hp

Commentary: Old meta. I scouted his defensive fb which 6 musk is not great against, so I took map and did standard boom. Add second rax with 600w for optimal greed. 5v isn't needed for high musk production, better to get the upgrades in first and engage, imo.

Build 3

VOD: https://www.twitch.tv/videos/121717782

Card Order: 700w, 600w, 5v, musk attack, musk hp

Commentary: Full manor boom. Open defensive lbows; age with 500f. Add musk after ~20 lbows or so and ship musk cards. Pure lbow are shit pushing out vs carded musks but they excel at defending and when you decide to push out, that amount of lbows is actually nice adding dps in back and allowing for optimal musk pathing. Ideal on maps with a large amount of hunts in base as you rely on a slight economic advantage to leverage enough of a military advantage in time to push out for map. Your eco is so large add a stable too.

Outstanding Builds

Build 1: 3c, VC, 700w, musk atk, musk hp is one I have yet to experiment with but it sounds promising as you get your musk cards in one card sooner than any other build. I'm curious whether full boom off of it is optimal or not.

Build 2: Wicked Cossack's brit mirror build: 500f age up, proxy stable, 5 huss only (raid!), 700w (rax at home), 700c or 5v? (no 600w). If they push your stable, push their base with musks. It seems good though difficult to execute for a lowbob like me with an apm of two. Nonetheless I will try to get good game with it and practice it more.
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Tuvalu gibson
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12 Feb 2017, 23:27

All bad. Huss start is better
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12 Feb 2017, 23:29

playing British in a brit mirror is like cheating
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12 Feb 2017, 23:30

gibson wrote:All bad. Huss start is better


See outstanding build 2. I don't doubt it's good but it is something that I haven't personally played a lot of nor can I really recommend to a lot of people because I'm not good enough to pull it off. I did cav start once vs sirmusket and made way too many huss but still rekt him hard because he panic 6-musk'd first in his base defensively cuz Brit Mirror Build 1 is so dominant.

I'd like to get VODs for both outstanding builds though and edit them in, including potentially more trolly builds like blackwatch mercs or something.
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12 Feb 2017, 23:50

Thanks for these, Callen! I'll review and improve my British play.
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13 Feb 2017, 02:34

sircallen wrote:Build 1
I've beat players better than me like Risi123, KingofOsmane, cramper, (GUA?) with this build in quick fashion

????? I don't understand...
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13 Feb 2017, 02:47

700w-600w-6lb for a musk+lb timing
700w-600w-700g or 700w-700g-600g for a semiff (aka goodspeed build)
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13 Feb 2017, 03:04

SirCallen giving strategical advice. What a time to be alive!
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13 Feb 2017, 03:09

SirCallen please shower me with your wisdom how do I win
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13 Feb 2017, 03:39

Zutazuta wrote:SirCallen giving strategical advice. What a time to be alive!

At least the advice isn't for Secret Hitler! I can only imagine what kind of calamities Callen would bring upon that game if people took his advice.
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13 Feb 2017, 05:17

Aizamk wrote:
sircallen wrote:Build 1
I've beat players better than me like Risi123, KingofOsmane, cramper, (GUA?) with this build in quick fashion

????? I don't understand...


Apologies. I typed this up on mobile and auto-correct accidentally changed "almost as good as" to "better than" for some odd reason >.>
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13 Feb 2017, 05:19

Mitoe wrote:
Zutazuta wrote:SirCallen giving strategical advice. What a time to be alive!

At least the advice isn't for Secret Hitler! I can only imagine what kind of calamities Callen would bring upon that game if people took his advice.


let's just say aggro-facist callen makes tit look like kynesie
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13 Feb 2017, 08:09

Thanks, I'll pin it on the strategy wall! :flowers:
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13 Feb 2017, 13:19

Sircallen pretty gud.

Very nice, always good to see the "optimal meta omg h2o does this" build losing to someone thinking outside the box.

:flowers: :flowers:
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13 Feb 2017, 16:43

lemmings121 wrote:Sircallen pretty gud.

Very nice, always good to see the "optimal meta omg h2o does this" build losing to someone thinking outside the box.

:flowers: :flowers:


Thank mitoe. I'm hardly a pioneer of original builds.
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13 Feb 2017, 17:11

sircallen wrote:
lemmings121 wrote:Sircallen pretty gud.

Very nice, always good to see the "optimal meta omg h2o does this" build losing to someone thinking outside the box.

:flowers: :flowers:


Thank mitoe. I'm hardly a pioneer of original builds.


thanks @Mitoe :P

your should share more original bos (and finish the german guide :smile: )
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16 Feb 2017, 16:20

nice job with that BOs. Is interesting see differents strategies.
the 6 musk how fisrt card in age 2 is pretty good, i used that rush many times in vanilla.
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20 Feb 2017, 13:20

Btw. is Aklak build viable in mirrors? :hmm: @SirCallen
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20 Feb 2017, 13:25

its decent but it loses to the standard if enemy reacts the right way
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20 Feb 2017, 16:03

I feel like brit mirrors are just a low skill MU tbh
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20 Feb 2017, 16:42

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VaneStoilov: the difference between aztec and otto is that with aztec you make vills
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20 Feb 2017, 16:42

Anyone ever try 5 villagers first with a hussar start when playing the British?
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20 Feb 2017, 19:59

Hazza54321 wrote:I feel like brit mirrors are just a low skill MU tbh


It is a low skill MU when winning requires the knowledge to ship 6 musk to tower. But it is when this meta is properly dispersed that proper counter builds can start to develop and dynamic dual musk ships to fbs can take place!

From my ELO page, omitting the games I auto resign at 0:01 to less-than-2000 opponents, my rated brit mirror win rate approaches ~80% which I guess makes senses since I am indeed low skill player.
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21 Feb 2017, 12:11

OrangeRage wrote:Anyone ever try 5 villagers first with a hussar start when playing the British?

I do it every game as brits in all matchups
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21 Feb 2017, 17:22

britishmusketeer wrote:
OrangeRage wrote:Anyone ever try 5 villagers first with a hussar start when playing the British?

I do it every game as brits in all matchups

I think it might be better because the first batch is the toughest to make while using vills to gather the wood crates and make the manor houses will make it harder.

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