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aligator92 wrote:i think civs also reset after game 1


which means you would never have to play all 3 in a bo7 either :/
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In a BO7, if all 7 games are played, you have to play all 3 nat civs, and one of these twice.
In a BO5 you need to play only 2 diff nat civs, one of these twice, or you can play all 3 civs.
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WickedCossack wrote:
ilovesquats wrote:
WickedCossack wrote:If the firstpick must always be a native civ it should probably say that in the rules somewhere. :lol:


1.1 - Players will freely pick their civilization in game 1. After that, players alternatively pick their civilization, starting with the winner of game 1. Game 1 must be a native civilization for each player.

A native will be played in every game in the event!


What?

To clarify this is "firstpick" not game 1 pick. See the quote tunnel.

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Hey @n0el, could you please update the 'Time Line' post to show that the RO64 is a BO3 (not BO5)? Thanks.
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Kaiserklein wrote:In a BO7, if all 7 games are played, you have to play all 3 nat civs, and one of these twice.
In a BO5 you need to play only 2 diff nat civs, one of these twice, or you can play all 3 civs.


Only the winner of g1 has to do that
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Kaiserklein wrote:In a BO7, if all 7 games are played, you have to play all 3 nat civs, and one of these twice.
In a BO5 you need to play only 2 diff nat civs, one of these twice, or you can play all 3 civs.


Only the winner of g1 has to do that. But looking at the example the civs reset after g1, so it may not reset after g4? Its just really strange tbh... You can make the rules so much simpler, just say you gotta use each twc civ once before you can use them a second te and youve got it all covered
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You need to look at it this way: in a BO5, it's the first game + 4 games. First game is just nats but it doesn't matter because you have civs reset at game 2. And then it's 4 games, so 2 first picks for each player, which is 2 diff nat civs. With the native from game 1, it means that you can play all 3 nats, or 2 times a nat and 1 time another nat.
In a BO7, it's 1+6 so you'll have all 3 nats picked during the 6 last games, it's the same.
But yeah I agree the rules aren't simple at all.
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Ask @_H2O about the rules. Stop tagging me.
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I think it's important to read the example in full.
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Kaiserklein wrote:You need to look at it this way: in a BO5, it's the first game + 4 games. First game is just nats but it doesn't matter because you have civs reset at game 2. And then it's 4 games, so 2 first picks for each player, which is 2 diff nat civs. With the native from game 1, it means that you can play all 3 nats, or 2 times a nat and 1 time another nat.
In a BO7, it's 1+6 so you'll have all 3 nats picked during the 6 last games, it's the same.
But yeah I agree the rules aren't simple at all.


well, sure, that means the civs reset after g1, and then there is no reset. But this is not stated explicitly in the rules in anyway, although i agree its a reasonable way for it to work, but still rather complicated. I would prefer just saying you have to play each civ once before playing them again, because that way you can also allow TWC vs TWC mu's in other games besides the first. Now its just 1 TWC mu and then TWC vs Euro/TAD. Which is great, but I think more TWC vs TWC mu's would also be interesting.

Also, can @_H2O comment on the civ pools? why 2x spain, and why no china?
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EAGLEMUT wrote:I think it's important to read the example in full.


the example doesn''t really clarify my questions, and its only for a bo5...
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umeu wrote:
Kaiserklein wrote:You need to look at it this way: in a BO5, it's the first game + 4 games. First game is just nats but it doesn't matter because you have civs reset at game 2. And then it's 4 games, so 2 first picks for each player, which is 2 diff nat civs. With the native from game 1, it means that you can play all 3 nats, or 2 times a nat and 1 time another nat.
In a BO7, it's 1+6 so you'll have all 3 nats picked during the 6 last games, it's the same.
But yeah I agree the rules aren't simple at all.


well, sure, that means the civs reset after g1, and then there is no reset. But this is not stated explicitly in the rules in anyway, although i agree its a reasonable way for it to work, but still rather complicated. I would prefer just saying you have to play each civ once before playing them again, because that way you can also allow TWC vs TWC mu's in other games besides the first. Now its just 1 TWC mu and then TWC vs Euro/TAD. Which is great, but I think more TWC vs TWC mu's would also be interesting.

Also, can @_H2O comment on the civ pools? why 2x spain, and why no china?


That is how it works. To prevent the first game from driving how you can pick for the rest of the series. This also allows for no reseting to take place.

As for the civ pools there wasn't a native that felt really good for China to play vs. there may have been one but as it stands we got 9 of the 11 non natives involved so I feel good.
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_H2O wrote:
umeu wrote:
Kaiserklein wrote:You need to look at it this way: in a BO5, it's the first game + 4 games. First game is just nats but it doesn't matter because you have civs reset at game 2. And then it's 4 games, so 2 first picks for each player, which is 2 diff nat civs. With the native from game 1, it means that you can play all 3 nats, or 2 times a nat and 1 time another nat.
In a BO7, it's 1+6 so you'll have all 3 nats picked during the 6 last games, it's the same.
But yeah I agree the rules aren't simple at all.


well, sure, that means the civs reset after g1, and then there is no reset. But this is not stated explicitly in the rules in anyway, although i agree its a reasonable way for it to work, but still rather complicated. I would prefer just saying you have to play each civ once before playing them again, because that way you can also allow TWC vs TWC mu's in other games besides the first. Now its just 1 TWC mu and then TWC vs Euro/TAD. Which is great, but I think more TWC vs TWC mu's would also be interesting.

Also, can @_H2O comment on the civ pools? why 2x spain, and why no china?


That is how it works. To prevent the first game from driving how you can pick for the rest of the series. This also allows for no reseting to take place.

As for the civ pools there wasn't a native that felt really good for China to play vs. there may have been one but as it stands we got 9 of the 11 non natives involved so I feel good.


eh, china can go toe to toe with any native civs, the mu's are much closer than some of the euro civs selected. regardless of that, why double spain?
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Originally wasn't double spain but spain seemed like a good match for two of the natives so we went with it.

I think the fear was china may do too welll vs the natives.
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Maybe vs iro, but should be fine vs aztec and sioux, really close mus imo thatgo either way.and iro china is closer than iro ger imo. I mean that mu was already hard on re tp maps. While china iro was quite iro favored.

Spain vs the nats is interesting mu i agree. But honestly i think they cant compete and will hardly be played :/ except on atp maps, but ports is the better choice then vs aztecs

:/ im kinda disappointed by these last minute changes. But fine...
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@deleted_user I love how your iro qs elo made top bracket way easier than lower :uglylol:
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somppukunkku wrote:@deleted_user I love how your iro qs elo made top bracket way easier than lower :uglylol:


top bracket is easy because you're in it, not because i'm in it.
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somppukunkku wrote:@deleted_user I love how your iro qs elo made top bracket way easier than lower :uglylol:


top bracket is easy4somppu because you're in it, not because i'm in it.

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umeu wrote:Maybe vs iro, but should be fine vs aztec and sioux, really close mus imo thatgo either way.and iro china is closer than iro ger imo. I mean that mu was already hard on re tp maps.

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Well not find it out now :ā‚¬
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You could always play the MU yourself with a partner if you so choose. I understand that is a bit adventurous, however.
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deleted_user wrote:You could always play the MU yourself with a partner if you so choose. I understand that is a bit adventurous, however.

Yes, I'm sure the great media team will be totally fine with it!
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What does this even mean. I am fine with umeu playing whoever he wishes to play on his own accord.
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diarougaforever wrote:
deleted_user wrote:You could always play the MU yourself with a partner if you so choose. I understand that is a bit adventurous, however.

Yes, I'm sure the great media team will be totally fine with it!

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