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rsy wrote:@hleung mighty thanks for all ur services man. Moderating is truly a thankless job and man I really hate it especially when people try to target our long time stand in volunteer mods with their bullshit.

And boy this mod the ear meme is getting old get over it already it's been like years now

It has been years indeed. The time stands as a testament to the endurance of ear and the #ModTheEar movement. We’ve outlasted some corrupt mods in the past. Current mod team is ok, but seems to lack endurance and has made a few questionable decisions.
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Dude nobody is corrupt, stop act like you care about this community at all (and don't mention telethon, "A good act does not wash out the bad, nor a bad act the good"). Everyone knows this, most of the people who seem to support you in public are not serious enough for the community as well (ex dietsch... guy). Ear's and your agenda is totally centered around your own selfish motives, just leave this community for god's sake.
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Ashvin wrote:Dude nobody is corrupt, stop act like you care about this community at all (and don't mention telethon, "A good act does not wash out the bad, nor a bad act the good"). Everyone knows this, most of the people who seem to support you in public are not serious enough for the community as well (ex dietsch... guy). Ear's and your agenda is totally centered around your own selfish motives, just leave this community for god's sake.

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Ashvin wrote:Dude nobody is corrupt, stop act like you care about this community at all (and don't mention telethon, "A good act does not wash out the bad, nor a bad act the good"). Everyone knows this, most of the people who seem to support you in public are not serious enough for the community as well (ex dietsch... guy). Ear's and your agenda is totally centered around your own selfish motives, just leave this community for god's sake.


1. What you wanna say about me ashvin? I didn't understand?

2. does your god has like 4 arms?
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@dietschlander Just so you know, you probably shouldn't attack other people for their religious beliefs when you are religious yourself. It doesn't look great.

@Ashvin I have said from the start that I think there are multiple sides to the story that is basement drama. The staff has treated them unfairly on many occasions. The ear is a funny, sometimes insightful contributor and from my perspective it looked like he was persecuted due to personal vendettas and his (admittedly somewhat obnoxious) way of letting the authorities know he didn't always agree with the way they did business. While he wouldn't be my first choice of mod, I choose to see the "movement" as a commentary of ESOC's historically lacking hiring process when it comes to the mod team. They have learned from it, and the current mod team is great, but I honestly think the ear would have been a better mod than some people who actually were mods in the past.
So you could say I "support" the ear even if only to balance out the negative bias that used to be in the staff, hopefully isn't anymore. And yeah, I am pretty serious about this community.
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Anybody making that dude a mod for anything need a serious mental check.
He is a total goofball.
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dietschlander wrote:
Ashvin wrote:Dude nobody is corrupt, stop act like you care about this community at all (and don't mention telethon, "A good act does not wash out the bad, nor a bad act the good"). Everyone knows this, most of the people who seem to support you in public are not serious enough for the community as well (ex dietsch... guy). Ear's and your agenda is totally centered around your own selfish motives, just leave this community for god's sake.


1. What you wanna say about me ashvin? I didn't understand?

2. does your god has like 4 arms?

Don't criticise someone else religion when you pray to an imaginary man in the sky.
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@Snuden Where someone is on the goofball spectrum isn't really relevant to this. It can even be a positive trait. Entering a dialogue with misbehaving members can be easier if you have an ability to joke around with them. Being too serious in this context can leave people with a bad aftertaste. The worse the situation, the more valuable it is to give it a positive spin (on an internet forum, that is).

But what you really need as a mod is objectivity, morals that align with the community's, a knack for diplomacy and compromise, and the ability to stay calm and polite when people express their dissatisfaction with you personally, moderation or ESOC as a whole. Ear does okay there, I guess, or at least not worse than some of our previous mods.
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And you think that guy is able to objectively moderate this forum?
He is doing nothing but pushing his crap about the basement (whatever the fuck that is anyway) and swimming pools.

And you are right, I would make a worse mod than him, which is why I don't constantly talk about how I should become one.

I think current mods are doing a fine job and I really can't see why anybody would think different.
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While he wouldn't be my first choice of mod, I choose to see the "movement" as a commentary of ESOC's historically lacking hiring process when it comes to the mod team. They have learned from it, and the current mod team is great, but I honestly think the ear would have been a better mod than some people who actually were mods in the past.
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Goodspeed wrote:The ear is a funny, sometimes insightful contributor

I lost you on this. Insightful contributor? please don't include their podcast, lonewolf's vods are better. Maybe add telethon but like a I said "A good act does not wash out the bad, nor a bad act the good"

his (admittedly somewhat obnoxious) way of letting the authorities know he didn't always agree with the way they did business.

Exactly what one of the qualities a mod should not be lacking.

So you could say I "support" the ear even if only to balance out the negative bias that used to be in the staff, hopefully isn't anymore. And yeah, I am pretty serious about this community.

Sometimes I think you're too good to see someone else's bad. Though I know if ear is made mod he will cut his bullshitness a lot, but his behavior is not something I'd like to see portrayed by a staff member. He has dodged his bans numerous times, harassed and baited a couple of (ex)staff members. Flooded the forums with bs threads. I never saw him helping any new community member or anyone in general.

EDIT: Don't forget what happened to Insite studios when site made him admin. Nobody even shits on it. He kicked and banned most of the active members.
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Ear became admin in dramahub and it died. 'nuff said
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Ashvin wrote:
Goodspeed wrote:The ear is a funny, sometimes insightful contributor

I lost you on this. Insightful contributor? please don't include their podcast, lonewolf's vods are better. Maybe add telethon but like a I said "A good act does not wash out the bad, nor a bad act the good"
He occasionally expresses an insightful thought. Mostly when it comes to politics if I recall correctly.

his (admittedly somewhat obnoxious) way of letting the authorities know he didn't always agree with the way they did business.
Exactly what one of the qualities a mod should not be lacking.
This sentence didn't make a lot of sense but I think I know what you're trying to say. I'm not sure it's relevant, though. With ear's limited sphere of influence, and his mind made up about making a change here, he did what he thought he had to. And, in the end, I think it had the intended, and ultimately positive, effect. But when you give people authority, they change. There would be no more reason to be obnoxious about disagreeing with the authorities if you are the authorities.

When you put people in a position of power, you can find out who they really are. I don't know where I read this, probably multiple places, but it has always stayed with me: "You can tell a lot about a person by the way they treat their subordinates." For some, it will go to their head. It very well might, in ear's case. He certainly has strong opinions. Like I said, definitely not my first choice of mod.

So you could say I "support" the ear even if only to balance out the negative bias that used to be in the staff, hopefully isn't anymore. And yeah, I am pretty serious about this community.
Sometimes I think you're too good to see someone else's bad.
I see plenty of bad, believe me. I'm also not that great myself. And I don't "support" the ear because he's JHC reincarnate. I wouldn't make him mod, either. I just think he's underrated.

Though I know if ear is made mod he will cut his bullshitness a lot, but his behavior is not something I'd like to see portrayed by a staff member. He has dodged his bans numerous times, harassed and baited a couple of (ex)staff members. Flooded the forums with bs threads. I never saw him helping any new community member or anyone in general.
Ear's history was always a 2-way street. He was not the only one in the wrong.

EDIT: Don't forget what happened to Insite studios when site made him admin. Nobody even shits on it. He kicked and banned most of the active members.
I have no idea what happened there, I only know someone got it into their head to start a website to compete with ESOC. If Ear caused the destruction of that non sense then more power to him. With a community as small as this one, only malice could have convinced anybody to try and split it up.
The content they produced early on was great, though.
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So all you guys do is flame an american for his bad decisions, bad behavior, questionable topic he cares about?

It is in the american nature to be that way. Man this topic looks like some series case of discrimination to me.
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Yeah should flame him for his skin color instead.
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Perceptions are weird, like how concrete others' perceptions are about Ear without ever knowing him. Mart has at least had that opportunity in discord to some degree and I have too. Recognizing this I recognize my own errors in the past to cast judgement.

I used to despise the basement's posting too. Then I got to know the members behind it. What most everyone has kind of failed to recognize is the ingenious and unique humor that goes into it. This isn't a friend group's attempt to ruin a website -- it's a friend group having lots of fun, and they're funny. There is very little maliciousness in their humor. If there was any it was when staff, like Mart said, treated them disproportionally unfair. In this they are human and have acted nearly as every active poster on this website has acted before. The basement's humor is KenM-esque in that simple, innocent posts generate crazy-strong, comically strong reactions. It differs in that instead of relying on ignorance it relies on well-articulated dialogue about random and weird topics. It can be quite clever.

Once you get it you don't get why there's such disdain for it. Shit, it's some of my favorite humor on the internet now.

Apart from this Ear is a guy who's held his cool on esoc way better than a lot of people, is a rational thinking human, understands the value of good jest but also restraint, of others' thoughts and opinions, and he does care about this community, he really does.

I'm not going to say the current mods are doing a bad job because they aren't. What I will say is the current mods lack an active and relatable voice in the off topic section (that place that needs moderated the most). Ear is the cop who plays basketball with kids. He has a mindset that will benefit the community team and give it a little much needed life!
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Hi. Could we please not attempt to insult someone based upon their religious beliefs. Many people in our community are religious so let's respect each other's choices to follow whatever path we so choose. Discussing religion is fine, when in an appropriate thread. Insulting one another based upon their religion is not. Thanks. :flowers:
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I have no idea what happened there, I only know someone got it into their head to start a website to compete with ESOC. If Ear caused the destruction of that non sense then more power to him. With a community as small as this one, only malice could have convinced anybody to try and split it up.
The content they produced early on was great, though.

The website is entirely different, I'm talking about the discord server. I don't even know what's left of it now.

I think I have expressed my thoughts, I don't think I'll be posting here more, because at the end of the day it's someone else who's going to take the decision. I do not have any personal grudge against the guy, but I don't think he is better than any of the current mods. Also, I think the presence of his and users showing similar behavior is the reason staff needed more people to moderate the forums in the first place.
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Moderate basement humor and the site dies.

Ear as dramahub admin made no difference to how it died. Him and I were the two most active posters there. I left then he did too. Shocking how the server's activity dropped after that.
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ROFL
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Lololol
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deleted_user wrote:What I will say is the current mods lack an active and relatable voice in the off topic section (that place that needs moderated the most).
Am I not relatable because I'm a grill? Along with the other changes we made (such as unbanning people), we decided to be more relaxed and looser in the offtopic section because it seemed that that was what everyone else in the community wanted. Things in the past were much looser, then they became strict, now we've reverted back to a semblance of what it was before.

It's really easy to criticize the community team. I get it. People don't know everything that goes on behind the scenes. I won't try to recapture everything that hleung said, but it's very apt and I feel people should read his posts to get some kind of idea. We discuss things throughout the day (when people are available), ban a ton of smurfs daily (you don't usually even see their first posts due to some higher learning stuff we've implemented :P ), go through reports and try to figure out if the report is real or troll and try to act accordingly, and many other things. We each try to remain objective and not bring our personal feelings into things. I personally (and I know others in the team have done this as well) have spent significant amount of time trying to repair damage done to members from other members. I've had countless private conversations with people. We do this for free in our spare time. We're not perfect, but I truly do appreciate our imperfect team and the work that each member does. To say that we aren't "cutting it" and to just dismiss the team is frankly insulting and hurts me personally. I'm not directing this to anyone in particular, it's a general statement.

I want it to be known that I consider the ear to be a friend of mine. We've talked a lot. Thus, this thread and the sentiment in it has hurt me a little and I've already expressed this privately.
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Of course a guy as sensitive as him can be mod.
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:flowers: :flowers: :flowers: I would support you as mod @fightinfrenchman - 100%. :flowers: :flowers: :flowers: :flowers: :flowers:
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